The adversarial relationship between Washington and Moscow prevented U.S. officials from sharing any information about the plot beyond what was necessary, out of fear Russian authorities might learn their intelligence sources or methods.
This is why most classified information is withheld and Russia isn’t exactly an ally right now.
Russia was hated since NATO was formed.
NATO was formed in 1949, already after 2nd world war. Russia has been hated for way longer, so much so that countries neighboring it saw “allying”* with nazis preferable over having Russia take over them
*some didn’t have much option, allying or being taken over with much more violence
Russia did not take over anyone, though. Infact, USSR broke up into many countries, and today we have Russia, a country that US ex-VP Dick Cheney once said NATO’s goal was to balkanise. Anglos have instilled hatred against communism for a couple centuries now.
I’m including USSR in the term Russia because obvious reasons, it was still the same country with different name, and USSR annexed bunch of countries around it.
Those countries that “broke from USSR” were independent nations before.
No one has instilled as much hate against communism as the few dictatorships calling themselves communist have. Not even USA, where ‘communist’ has been a slur for the past hundred years
No one has instilled as much hate against communism as the few dictatorships calling themselves communist have
Which dictatorships are these?
I should have probably said they claim to be socialist, but USSR and North Korea was first ones in my mind.
I like your question, it’s only purpose is to try catch me on some small technicality, or get a chance to bombard 17 links to tankie wiki with alternative facts about how Stalin was actually a great democratically selected leader
Stalin was far greater than any US President and a lot of presidents/heads in European countries that have had anti-immigrant and/or white coloniser agenda, solely on the basis that Stalin never genocided any aboriginals or natives, or discriminated against people that are not Caucasians.
It is interesting that you think USSR and DPRK are dictatorships, just because they oppose imperialist white fascism, are socialist states, and face sanctions or atrocities. North Korea today is so poor because USA bombed the fuck out of it in 1980s.
Bet you think USA and Europe are “civilised” democracy places? I would also correct you on that. Every single western country that today claims to be a democracy, until they looted, pillaged and genocided in non-white countries, were all dictatorships. There was no western democracy, and there is still none. And they are less democratic than whatever China/Russia are, despite centuries of looting and genocide. Try to voice against western heads, war crimes and actual problems and see how fast you get jailed or disappeared or starved to death.
The Red Scare is a more like side goal because communism threatens oligarchies. The Soviet Union also had its hand in persecuting communists.
Which communists are these, that USSR persecuted? Are you talking about the Tsar era, which nobody thinks was good?
Tsar was gone by something like the purges in 30s
I mean… if it was the US’s agents doing the coordination and planning, then yes. This makes perfect sense.
Intelligence methods like paying said attackers
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Internal Russian intelligence reporting that most likely circulated at the highest levels of the government warned of the increased likelihood of an attack in Russia by ethnic Tajiks radicalized by ISIS-K, according to information obtained by the Dossier Center, a London research organization, and reviewed by The New York Times.
But as Mr. Putin has advanced his political crackdown at home, its list of targets ballooned to include opposition figures like Aleksei A. Navalny, who died last month in a Russian prison, and his supporters, as well as L.G.B.T.Q.
is a political police force, and as such it reflects Kremlin concerns,” said Mark Galeotti, a specialist on Russia’s security operations and a senior associate fellow at the Royal United Services Institute in London.
Russia is one of the chief military backers of the Islamic State’s opponents in the Middle East, including Syria’s Bashar al-Assad, making Russian interests a key target of the Islamist extremist group.
The failure to prevent the attack was probably the result of a combination of other factors, including fatigue after being “especially alert” during the period before Russia’s recent presidential election, said a European security official, who tracks the activities of the Russian intelligence services.
Large terrorist attacks on Russian soil attributed to international groups like the Islamic State or Al Qaeda have been rare, and the country’s domestic security services have less experience tracking those threats and are less skilled at penetrating Central Asian extremist cells.
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I stay with “fear of exposing intelligence”. There is no need to fear something that does not exist
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Never attribute to malice, that which can easily be explained by incompetence.
No
He’s looking weak and the constant change of story in the days after it happened don’t look as if it was prepared
thats kinda shady
Espionage is kinda shady in nature.
Do you think they should have outed their spies, dooming them to a certain death?
America? Yes, that would be the moral choice.
I think they shouldn’t be funding the groups committing these acts in the first place.
Does the US fund ISIS?
The US has funded and trained ISIS through the CIA since its inception, and is responsible for its creation in the first place.
The US is also directly responsible for the creation of Al Qaeda. Unfortunately another country’s citizens are paying the price this time.
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Fund ISIS? They made ISIS!
Yes. In fact, I would happily sacrifice the life of every single American spy abroad for a single innocent life. And you are a bad person if you wouldn’t.
And this is ignoring the fact that you are completely making up that a better warning would have “doomed them to certain death”.
imagine talking about american spies like they’re people. you have to be a bloodless skin-wearing demon to actively keep making the world worse every day of your existance after you join up, i hope they all suffer from nightmares at the very fucking least
Presumably there’s 100s of spies you would kill all of them to spare one life?
Thats 100s of families torn apart 1000s of people for one person.
So trolly problems a no brainer for you?
Do you have any idea what the USA’s spy network has done? Do you have any idea how many thousands of families and millions of people have been torn apart, some of them murdered in their entirety, others just having their kids murdered in front of them, thanks to the work of USA intelligence? Fuck them
They’re from Hexbear, what do you expect.
I use connect for lemmy so i don’t see that without looking into it
So fucking tired of this clout chasing-instance hating bullshit. There’s fucking morons from every instance, I’m looking at one from .works right now. Reminds me of the laziest and most pathetic parts of reddit, like it’s a joke comment but with a little touch of actual hate speech in it.
It’s the life of someone going about their existence, trying to enjoy a performance vs the lives of people who willingly signed up for a dangerous job to serve the world’s bloodiest empire.
Thinking you can do morality with numbers is sociopath behavior.
I would happily sacrifice the life of every single […] And you are a bad person if you wouldn’t.
…says everything one needs to know about your morals and your attempts at manipulation.
Awww the poor widdle spies! They were just innocently torturing innocent people at bwack sites, then destroying all evidence of torture! How dare they sacrifice these benevolent angels to save some RuZZian orc!
How about not sacrificing anyone’s life?
Fundamentally naive take.
They already sacrificed lives when they decided that even just a few of their spies were worth 140 people murdered and many more to spend their lifetime with medical issues and permanent mental scars.
- Spies who signed up to die if necessary
- Civilians
Pretty sure my morals are just fine if I pick 2 when push comes to shove
I would not “happily” sacrifice anyone’s life. How about that? Anyway, Russia obviously didnt take the threat seriously and that was the actual issue.
But even in your case of letting all the spies be killed to save one civilian, it would in the end result in more dead civilians because if a country does that to its own spies, nobody will want to be a spy for them anymore, thus less “protection” overall.
Lol you think American spies are for “protection”
In this case yeah
But even in your case of letting all the spies be killed to save one civilian, it would in the end result in more dead civilians because if a country does that to its own spies, nobody will want to be a spy for them anymore
Ridiculous from top to bottom.
First, you’re taking the U.S. at its word that there was anyone on its side in real danger. There is no reason to trust the U.S., and many reasons to think they’re lying – they’re fighting a proxy war against Russia, after all.
Second, it’s laughable to take the premise of additional intelligence possibly endangering some spy and turning that into “this would kill all U.S. spies.”
Finally, the U.S. has fucked over countless lackeys in the past and will continue to do so. Dying for your country is what these people already signed up for, and there will be more meat for the grinder whatever happens to a spy here or there, because of a million reasons, but mostly because who the hell is telling recruits about some active spy that gets burned?
First, you’re taking the U.S. at its word that there was anyone on its side in real danger.
No, but the statement we are discussing assumes this from the start: “I would happily sacrifice the life of every single American spy abroad for a single innocent life.”
Second, it’s laughable to take the premise of additional intelligence possibly endangering some spy and turning that into “this would kill all U.S. spies.”
Yeah but we’re discussing the case where it would kill all spies. My statement was in response to (I repeat): “I would happily sacrifice the life of every single American spy abroad for a single innocent life.”
Finally, the U.S. has fucked over countless lackeys in the past and will continue to do so. Dying for your country is what these people already signed up for
Yeah but this is not “dying for your country” (it wouldnt benefit the USA in any way) but rather “dying for a single civilian of an adversary country”. They didnt sign up for that.
Smooth tiny baby brain lol
Thanks :)
On a seperate note, brain size does not relate to intelligence.
Yes. Fuck em.
The attack was claimed by ISIS-K - a foreign fighter offshoot/offbrand. Funny thing is that ISIS-K fighters were getting lifts from American chanook helicopters in Afghanistan and is largely made up of US assets and/or people formerly trained by the US in Afghanistan.
Lots points to it being a CIA asset, tldr. They’re a dirty army that can be used to keep an area distabilised or prevent other geopolitical powers from building infrastructure/influence (the nutshell purpose of ISIS-K, particularly in Afghanistan to prevent pipelines being built).
They had the inside scoop on an attack outside any usual operating theatre by a group with tangible links to US cooperation/orientation? No kidding.
more like exposing involvement. both daesh and the ukraine are obviously us puppets which no decent person should support.
