Lol the fact that you think this is as simple as “bad guys v good guys” tells me everything I need to know.
Nuance really is dead and buried, huh? Israel can be committing genocide while Hamas…also abuses their power and hurts people? There can be more than one “the bad guys”, you know. I’m an anarchist. I know you communists loooove to write off human rights abuse if it fits your narrative, but I believe that things can be more complicated than that. Hamas may be fighting an equally right-wing authoritarian monster, but that does not suddenly make them good? Like, how is that so hard to understand? Yeah, they’re fighting a far more deadly and effective killing machine with religious fundamentalist ethics. But that does not absolve them.
I agree it would be very nice if we had “good guys v bad guys” but that’s…just not the way the world works.
Hamas is not equally as bad or “authoritarian” as the zionist entity, it’s a common apologist method against national liberation movements to equalize them with their oppressor, it gets used on the Vietcong and the FLN and any group that stands up against colonialism and now it’s being used on Palestinian resistance.
Hamas…also abuses their power and hurts people?
This sentence alone proves you’re speaking out of ignorance, it’s almost as if you can’t name anything Hamas does and just going off vibes, who are these people that Hamas is hurting? you don’t even want to say something like “Hamas wants to kill all the jews” because you’re not even sure if they think that or not.
no it doesn’t get less complicated then Palestine, one side wants to genocide the other, and the other side has a group that follows the religious beliefs of their people and is fighting back. currently it doesn’t matter if the book they hold is green or red (within reason which Hamas has shown itself to be following).
I know you communists loooove to write off human rights abuse if it fits your narrative,
Oh boy, I hesitate to ask which supposed human rights abuse you are going with. Gulags? Uyghurs?
I agree it would be very nice if we had “good guys v bad guys” but that’s…just not the way the world works.
You’re making a strawman, nobody here is claiming it to be that black and white, they just said Hamas are not the bad guys. They did not say they are pure good guys that can do no wrong.
Hamas may be fighting an equally right-wing authoritarian monster
What does authoritarian mean here? Or are we just throwing out buzzwords? Trying to draw some kind of false equivalence between Hamas and Israel is disingenous at best, and actively promoting Israeli propaganda. How would you prefer the Palestinian people resist? Because I swear to god if you say a peaceful protest/march, I will scream.
The fact of the matter is that the issues Marxism has with their fundamentalist beliefs aren’t even close to their primary concerns right now. It’s the same thing when people go “Oh yeah, well you know Hamas doesn’t support gay rights. GOT EM!”. Ignoring the fact that they are in a battle for their very existence. Once Palestine has won the basic right to exist we can revisit these issues.
Not to mention that these are people who were, by and large, born and raised in a literal concentration camp. Many of them know no life outside that concentration camp. Honestly none of us have any right to cast judgement on their methods because it is impossible to understand that.
Yes, I would prefer something better than Hamas, but it isn’t our job as lower‐class Westerners to prescribe other oppressed people’s protagonists for them, especially when those people are facing an extermination campaign.
The IDF is worse than Hamas. (To put it very, very mildly.) Likewise, pro‐Hamas statements are exceedingly trivial compared to pro‐IDF ones. We shouldn’t waste our time and effort trying to fight a two‐front war; we should be concentrating on doing whatever we can to inconvenience the IDF as much as possible, and then maybe later we can worry about Hamas. I don’t see how this is difficult to understand.
Lol the fact that you think this is as simple as “bad guys v good guys” tells me everything I need to know.
Nuance really is dead and buried, huh? Israel can be committing genocide while Hamas…also abuses their power and hurts people? There can be more than one “the bad guys”, you know. I’m an anarchist. I know you communists loooove to write off human rights abuse if it fits your narrative, but I believe that things can be more complicated than that. Hamas may be fighting an equally right-wing authoritarian monster, but that does not suddenly make them good? Like, how is that so hard to understand? Yeah, they’re fighting a far more deadly and effective killing machine with religious fundamentalist ethics. But that does not absolve them.
I agree it would be very nice if we had “good guys v bad guys” but that’s…just not the way the world works.
Hamas is not equally as bad or “authoritarian” as the zionist entity, it’s a common apologist method against national liberation movements to equalize them with their oppressor, it gets used on the Vietcong and the FLN and any group that stands up against colonialism and now it’s being used on Palestinian resistance.
This sentence alone proves you’re speaking out of ignorance, it’s almost as if you can’t name anything Hamas does and just going off vibes, who are these people that Hamas is hurting? you don’t even want to say something like “Hamas wants to kill all the jews” because you’re not even sure if they think that or not.
no it doesn’t get less complicated then Palestine, one side wants to genocide the other, and the other side has a group that follows the religious beliefs of their people and is fighting back. currently it doesn’t matter if the book they hold is green or red (within reason which Hamas has shown itself to be following).
a very proud
Nuance nonces on their way to defend nazi war criminals
We can tell.
Oh boy, I hesitate to ask which supposed human rights abuse you are going with. Gulags? Uyghurs?
You’re making a strawman, nobody here is claiming it to be that black and white, they just said Hamas are not the bad guys. They did not say they are pure good guys that can do no wrong.
What does authoritarian mean here? Or are we just throwing out buzzwords? Trying to draw some kind of false equivalence between Hamas and Israel is disingenous at best, and actively promoting Israeli propaganda. How would you prefer the Palestinian people resist? Because I swear to god if you say a peaceful protest/march, I will scream.
The fact of the matter is that the issues Marxism has with their fundamentalist beliefs aren’t even close to their primary concerns right now. It’s the same thing when people go “Oh yeah, well you know Hamas doesn’t support gay rights. GOT EM!”. Ignoring the fact that they are in a battle for their very existence. Once Palestine has won the basic right to exist we can revisit these issues.
Not to mention that these are people who were, by and large, born and raised in a literal concentration camp. Many of them know no life outside that concentration camp. Honestly none of us have any right to cast judgement on their methods because it is impossible to understand that.
You hit the nail on the head.
Yes, I would prefer something better than Hamas, but it isn’t our job as lower‐class Westerners to prescribe other oppressed people’s protagonists for them, especially when those people are facing an extermination campaign.
The IDF is worse than Hamas. (To put it very, very mildly.) Likewise, pro‐Hamas statements are exceedingly trivial compared to pro‐IDF ones. We shouldn’t waste our time and effort trying to fight a two‐front war; we should be concentrating on doing whatever we can to inconvenience the IDF as much as possible, and then maybe later we can worry about Hamas. I don’t see how this is difficult to understand.