Imperial America is a death cult.
…In the fields, bodies burning as the war machine keeps turning…
What’s particularly notable is that US vetoed the resolution that Russia put out on the basis that it did not condemn Hamas. However, US also vetoed subsequent resolution by Brazil that did condemn Hamas without giving a coherent explanation for the second veto. The only conclusion that can be reasonably drawn here is that US regime wants people to suffer and die. US is intentionally enabling a genocide in Gaza against the will of the rest of the world.
To sum up, fuck the US regime.
without giving a coherent explanation for the second veto
They said that they vetoed because “Brazil didn’t say that Israel has a right of self-defense”.
That’s not a coherent explanation given that the purpose of the resolution is to have a ceasefire as in both sides ceasing hostilities.
It doesn’t even make any sense period. States are the ones that delineate “rights.” A sovereign state would never need to affirm its “rights” or have them affirmed, unless their sovereignty was conditional.
So, all of this is a show the international (imperial) community plays to endorse the genocide. The US gives the occupier of Palestine the “right” to defend itself from blowback and demands support from its other vassals and victims to solidify the sovereignty of an illegitimate project through their recognition as legitimate players. Yet this seemingly challenges the sovereignty of the project, almost as if it is just a US colony in need of permission…
The US would never - maybe not even rhetorically - rely on rights granted to it by the international community to assert its imperial sovereignty. The society of states is such a fucking joke.
well put
I mean, that’s part of the given justification for the veto, but it doesn’t take a PhD in international relations to figure out that the real reason is obviously that both the US and Israel --and a number of other relevant players-- are currently knee-deep in operations and negotiations and that a cease fire, by changing the dynamic on the ground, would seriously screw those efforts.
My guess is that Israel has a plan that it wants to execute before implementing any cease-fire, and that the US is on-board with it for now.
Unlike most social media users, I don’t feel like I know enough to take a position on whether this veto is morally justifiable or not. On its face it seems kind of lame, but I can easily think of reasons why it might actually be entirely justified. We will see.
My guess is that Israel has a plan that it wants to execute before implementing any cease-fire, and that the US is on-board with it for now.
Yeah, it’s called “genocide”
Or, you know, they want to make sure that the hostages aren’t executed before they agree to a cease fire.
Israeli bombing raids have already killed like 40 hostages
They don’t give a shit
The UN is such a fucking joke
The UN should use resolution 377A and define a plan of action without the US. Give them a taste of their own poison.
Whatever that is on paper, in reality it represents the overthrow of the UN
That was one I didn’t know about before. Someone in the UN, please make this happen. Maybe if China brought it to the general assembly.
The U
NS is such a fucking jokeFixed that for you.
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War is big business…
… as you continue to have Ukraine Nazi flag in bio.
all palestinian violence against israel is self-defense.
I love democracy.
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Why is veto even a thing?
@Luccajan basically the UN is a forum for dialogue and we need the big players to be part of it.
If they don’t get veto on the security council they will have a tantrum and leave, which will benefit no one.
The superpowers already flout international law when they really want to, because there is nothing the rest of us can do to stop them, but it would probably be far worse if they weren’t even part of the UN.
basically the UN is a forum for dialogue and we need the big players to be part of it.
Allowing the five biggest arms manufacturers on the planet to decide “security” issues is no different than allowing the five biggest drug cartels in the world to decide “health” issues.
@masquenox I agree apart from the bit about allowing. We literally can’t physically stop them. They will decide “security” issues whether we want them to or not. That’s my point.
It’s not just because of their military might. In the 1980s, France carried out a terror attack in my country which killed two people. We actually caught the terrorists but our “allies” the UK, EU and US told us that unless we let them go (we had wanted to give them a trial and imprisonment) we would no longer be able to trade with those countries and faced economic ruin.
If we had no government able to withstand them, it would be better to be in dialogue with the cartels than not - and good to have a space where they could dialogue with each other, too.
Bodies like the UNFP and UNHCR are valuable. Discussion is valuable. Even with the security council it’s better that the world at least express what we want, where each other can see it, even if it’s inevitably vetoed by US or Russia or China.
I think mostly because the Allied Powers won WWII and got to make the rules. Often the argument is made that, by giving the nuclear-capable countries veto power, they’re less likely to use those weapons, but that might be more of a rationalization than the actual reason.
All it really boils down to is that the UN is toothless when trying to regulate any nuclear-armed country and any country or conflict a nuclear-armed country has an interest in. It absolutely sets certain countries apart in a multi-tiered system of international cooperation.
Because the US only agreed to join the UN on the condition that they would get to veto whatever they like.
That’s just plain wrong. The veto was a feature in the League of Nations (the predecessor of the UN). When the UN was formed, the permanent members (US, Soviet Union, United Kingdom, and China) all wanted this feature, ostensibly for unity and have all the major powers act together, but most likely to protect their own national interests.
China and Russia have used the veto to act against US interests as well.
This is like asking for medical advice on a naturopathic forum; sure you might get some vaguely correct answers, but mostly it’s just going to be a lot of feel-good nonsense from partisan idiots who want to see the world in black and white.
Can anyone explain the true reason why US make such decision?
As of October 2023, the United States has 599 active Foreign Military Sales (FMS) cases, valued at $23.8 billion, with Israel.
Money. The answer is always money.
It would put Israel “on the back foot” in regards to the conflict. Israel would be tied up negotiating for hostage release which is exactly where Hamas wants them. It stops being a question of who is winning a battle and turns it into “how much is Israel willing to sacrifice”.
The US does this because Israel exists primarily as a weapons platform for the United States to maintain control over regional resource extraction. Israel does this because their political leadership wants to achieve their dream of a white ethnostate.
Because the indigenous Palestinians keep reproducing and have nowhere else to go, Israel has maintained a state policy of periodically reducing the Palestinian population with the goal of driving them to eventual extinction as a population. For years Israel would euphemistically call this “mowing the lawn”.
The United States and liberals in the Israeli government would prefer that Israel carry out this extermination slowly to mitigate the risk of international interference. Conservatives in the Israeli government would prefer to exterminate the Palestinian population all at once to prevent any possibility of internal resistance. As conservatives now hold power in Israel, state policy has favored more aggressive campaigns of expansion and depopulation. The US vetoing ceasefire resolutions at the UN is part of preventing international interference in the extermination campaign. The US can then maintain control over the rate of the campaign by adjusting the flow of weapons it provides to the Israeli government.
