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    Online? You realize most are either bots or not of the class we are expecting to agitate to. Not that Proletarians do not do/have this, but rather most are either too busy or are too alienated from the subject.

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    The same way you do with the rest of the working class. Most of them oppose this war, and whether they do or don’t, your job is to teach them, build popular anti-war energy, and help them understand the class character of what’s happening. If you aren’t already working within an organization to help you do this, start that process.

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      What are some of the organizations helping, just out of curiosity?

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        There are lots of anti-imperialist and anti-war organizations. Some are more helpful than others for actually teaching you how to communicate effectively with the working class. PSL is good if you’re in the US.

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      What do I do about the pro-Ukkkkrain ones?

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        That’s a very tough onion to peel thanks to many layers of propaganda. It’s usually not a good place to start with someone, unless they’re already very far along the path to becoming a fellow traveler.

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      Most of them also demand the death of the current Iranian government that is the center of the axis of resistance in the ME.

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    usually i remind them that the stuff that the evangelicals are doing inside the US (trying to remove suffrage, repressing feminism, being homophobic, or trying to make the US into a christian theocracy) were the reasons that they used to support bombing iran

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    I don’t have the knowledge or patience of someone like Cowbee so I never talk to them and just religiously revel in their future hell on earth of seeing their own worldview fall apart.

    It’s been working pretty well so far

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      A medium has confirmed that Cowbee is Sankara reincarnated.

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    I brow beat them while pulling the “as an Iranian” card. When you can overwhelm them with information, and have a justified identity based reason for anger, liberals often become meek.

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      Because identity politics has become their whole substance as the bourgeoisie employed it as a tool for division within the working class.

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        I know id-pol is obviously not a tool for materialists, but I can’t deny it is fun watched white people shut up when you pull the identity card up to degrade the identity card.

        Like one of the first things I say is that Iranian diaspora are fascist thugs and should not be trusted. I think I heard Madeline Pendelton provide a very good way of explaining this, by basically just saying that diaspora in the US are like the MAGA of their countries, and the US basically acts as an epicenter for these kinds of people.

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    I’m busy trying to stay civil to a verrrrry liberal/evangelical client who’s just passive - aggressive and so brilliant they feel the need to tell me mandarins aren’t oranges, that my baptism didn’t count because the right words weren’t said (it’s biblical from the mouth of Jesus), and that the show they want to see is on “plateau” (platform) A.