Kind of amazing how many instances are blocking lemmygrad as soon as they’re created. I know that liberals really don’t like dissenting opinions but goddamn
Kind of amazing how many instances are blocking lemmygrad as soon as they’re created. I know that liberals really don’t like dissenting opinions but goddamn
Lol well beehaw is completely down right now, just completely flat on the ground dead, nothing is loading.
I know I’m beating a dead horse but I find it funny that beehaw claims they want to “help to connect underprivileged and minority individuals with education and civic participation by promoting a healthier online experience.”. Meanwhile all marginalised minorities flock to communism and lemmygrad and their admin team is white person, white person, and white person.
How exactly are they doing any of that, all i see from them are meaningless plattitudes and a heavily locked down instance, from what I can gather users cannot even create their own communities on that instance.
Well there are different degrees of how left you are, liking the CCP and the DPRK is too much for most, even communists
If liking communism is too much for communists then they might not be communists…
Everyone has limits, for some it’s concentration camps. It’s not something tribal where you have to support someone because they call themself communists. You can agree in principle but not in execution
I think the general consensus on this instance is that the actual execution isn’t the attrocity horror show that so many make it out to be: that capitalist dominance of media and education has either ridiculously distorted or outright fabricated many of the atrocities attributed to AES. This doesn’t mean people here like/support AES uncritically or unconditionally. However, the criticisms that will be levied against states/orgs here are going to be quite different from those of the more “libertarian” left.
I guess we disagree on that, I see no reason to make out some communist countries as hellholes (DPRK) while others like Cuba get a free pass. Other than that I consider DPRK leadership as more of a personal cult disguised with a communist state, and why communists would be compelled to defend that kind of stratification of society is beyond me
to be perfectly honest, I don’t even know why we comment on dprk. It’s extremely hard to know anything accurate about them, our 2 main sources are defectors paid off by South Korea or state propganda, which I have literally no way to tell is truthful or not (there’s also defectors who say they want to go back, but tbh I don’t really trust any anecdote).
Western media constantly makes up the most outlandish things about them (everyone has to get the same haircut or they and 3 generations of their family get sent to gulag!?!?!), and ultimately they aren’t a big player in global affairs, so I just don’t really get the point of having arguments about them. Let’s end the sanctions, and let north korean communists deal with their own problems (whether that’s using the state or not).
It is possible to know what’s happening in the DPRK, the government talks about it. There’s also English-speaking content creators who relay some of that information to the world in a language we understand.
Official documents, such as how their government and communist party (Workers’ Party of Korea) works or what Juche is, are freely available online.
You seem to assume that the DPRK would have reasons to lie, which I believe to be a remnant of essentially growing up being told the DPRK is a “hermit kingdom” and a “rogue state” (like all of us here) – in how you call defectors, for example, which implies that people had to flee Korea. There are thousands of Korean workers from the DPRK working abroad, most of them in Russia. Those that “fled” with their heart-wrenching stories actually just found a way to go to China, a bordering country.
Those that want to go back, for the most part, did not want to leave in the first place. Many left during the Arduous March, the economic crisis that affected the DPRK in the 1990s after the illegal dissolution of the USSR. This was a very difficult time for the people, and most of the anti-communist “defectors” today were kids around that time. Some pro-DPRK citizens also left during that time with the plans to come back. If I remember correctly, many went to China but were later kidnapped by the South Korean government. Some went to South Korea, and some were made prisoners of war and are still not allowed to go back home to the DPRK after all these years.The anti-communist “defectors” are a tiny minority of these prisoners/emigrants.
North Korea is itself a misnomer, the country’s name is the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea; North Korea is not an official name but one given to differentiate it and legitimise the occupied part of the peninsula, the Republic of Korea. But there is only one Korea, and there would have only been one (The People’s Republic of Korea) had the US not intervened.
There’s only one correct line, and it’s support for the DPRK’s sovereignty over the whole of the Korean peninsula. I get why you suggest that we need to end the sanctions and let Korean communists deal with their affairs, but there’s the imperialist camp and the humanist camp in this issue. The imperialist camp wants an anti-communist Korea at any cost, they will genocide the whole of the DPRK if they have to. Saying “let them take care of their own matters” is not supportive of the DPRK’s struggle for unification.
Maybe this will help https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Democratic_People's_Republic_of_Korea
Could you point me to the points in the article relevant to my comment? (This is a genuine request and I’m not being sarcastic)
Where is your evidence of concentration camps, the ones in Xinjiang have been long sense debunked
I’m mostly talking about the ones in DPRK. The claimed Chinese ones are more like culture erasure camps, I don’t know how you guys feel about those
They’re goddam schools. Also what “camps” in the DPRK? give source?
Would any source I give you be acceptable to you? Guessing western media is out of the question, WHO and HRW too. It’s difficult providing sources if the only acceptable ones are those that deny it’s happening
Where did you hear that bullshit?
Why bring concentration camps in this conversation?
It was relevant to the conversation? Or is it something that’s denied by people on here that they exist?
That the Nazis sent people to concentration camps? I would hope nobody here denies that.
I believe they’re talking about Xinjiang.
Between 75 and 90% of our users are a minority in some way: either in gender or sexual identity, skin colour or religion.
They have no problem liking the DPRK and CPC.
Beehaw isn’t even on the left, I’m not sure what you think communists are. They’re the well-intentioned liberals MLK was talking about.
I would be really interested if those are actual numbers. It seems like a bit too high, but shame there is basically no way to know for sure without some privacy issues.
We’ve never ran a website survey exactly for the privacy reason, but based on the active users on the site as well as account request answers, the very least amount of minorities on Lemmygrad is 50% of users. 75 seems more realistic though.
Anecdotally, it feels that way. It’s one of the great things about this place.
That makes it even more weird, given the DPRK’s stance on sexual identity and religion. Don’t know any branch of communism that is particularly fond of religion. I don’t come from beehaw, I don’t know what they’re about.
What stances against religion? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chondoist_Chongu_Party
What stances on sexual identity? https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_and_issues_in_AES_countries#Democratic_People’s_Republic_of_Korea
Liberation Theory and Islamic Socialism (of which we have a community here), and that doesn’t even go into the importance of religion in national liberation struggles.
Cuba is predominantly Catholic
"However, the situation for the party soon turned difficult. Large sections of the Soviet and North Korean communist leaderships did not trust the party, and saw it as a potential nest for counterrevolutionaries. The most troublesome issue was that the North Korean Ch’ŏndogyo continued to have contacts with the leadership of the religious group in South Korean Seoul. There, the Ch’ŏndogyo leadership was anti-communist and supported the administration of President Syngman Rhee. In January 1948, the Ch’ŏndogyo leadership based in Seoul made a decision that a massive anti-communist demonstration would be held on 1 March in Pyongyang. This put the Chondist Chongu Party in the North in a precarious situation. Kim Tarhyon refused to follow the orders from Seoul, but others in the party leadership wanted to go ahead with the plans. The result was a massive purge of party members throughout North Korea. In its aftermath, the anti-communist sections of the movement initiated an underground resistance movement and tried to launch guerrilla warfare.
Kim Tarhyon and the people around him reaffirmed their loyalty to the DPRK. In 1950 the Chondoist Chongu Party in the South (but not the religious movement) united with the Northern party under his leadership. During the Korean War the headquarters of the party was shifted to a town near the border with China. The party leadership actively supported the DPRK war efforts, but many party cadres migrated to South Korea during the war. Many sided with Seoul during the war. In the aftermath of the war, the idea of the united front was increasingly unpopular in the North Korean government circles and many wanted the non-communist parties banned. In the end the united front was maintained, but the possibility for the Chondoist Chongu Party to conduct political activity was severely curtailed.
In 1954 the government subsidies to the party were cancelled. By 1956 there were approximately 1,700–3,000 members left (out of 10,000–50,000 remaining Ch’ŏndogyo believers). At the same time about 200 persons were full-time employees of the party. In order to finance the party, it ran an iron foundry and a printing house."
Pretty funny from your link
Wait does my fist shaking have powers?
Beehaw is back up, my dissapointment is immesurable, my day is ruined
You’ve got to shake it in the Juche symbol or it doesn’t work.