This is a thought that I have been tackling for quite a while now, but in the event of a country or region undergoing decolonialization, how should settler populations, especially multigenerational populations, be handled?

For example in the example of Israel, once the nation is reestablished as a one state Palestine, what would happen to the settler population? Especially those that aren’t living or participating in illegal settlements or exploitation?

This question is complicated farther by multiple generations of people who were born in a location and have no ties to any other country or location. Those people don’t have anywhere to go and can’t be “sent back” to where they came from as they have no ties. For example if a person’s grand parents immigrated decades ago to a country as settlers, and then their children and then grandchildren were born and lived their whole lives in a location, what would you do with those grandchildren? You can’t just throw them back to the country their grandparents were from. This question is made even harder when the generations start spanning back much farther.

Another problem that I am running into is that many solutions including “leftist” ones essentially boil down to ethnic cleaning even if they do not say it outright. Or they completely ignore the question or resort to some fantasy scenario where the settlers magically disappear or all agree to move.

So how should these populations and people be handled?

  • @CountryBreakfast
    9•1 year ago

    A: No one is saying people should be living on sacred sites… Ffs

    B: this is my point. A bunch of colonial powers created Israel. It is colonial logic to fix problems this way. It’s not a solution born of Indigenous philosophy.

    C: I am in Indigenous spaces regularly and have been taught multiple Indigenous languages by Indigenous elders and through programs started by the Tribes themselves. You are wrong. I have never heard anyone say white people or any settlers should go back to Europe as an avenue for decolonization or whatever the fuck. I havent seen it in scholarship either. You are projecting.

    Edit: lots

    • @freagle
      -2•1 year ago

      a) That’s displacement

      b) No one said European powers should create new indigenous states. It’s the indigenous that will do it as part of their national self determination and they will solve the problems in their own ways according to their own contexts. For a European to say how it must be or what it must do or what moral obligations it must have is chauvinism. You are imagining that I am designing a revolutionary program and then arguing that it’s just like the Israeli project. When instead what I’m doing is saying that the indigenous have clearly stated they want settlers off their land and they have no obligation to the those settlers who will be displaced by the process.

      c) Then you’re not following the AIM and Red Power movements, you’re not listening to their podcasts, to their contemporary dialog at the boundaries of the reservations, to the various movements in various parts of the world. There is no single indigenous bloc. In the US, AIM was resisted heavily by tribal elders, even fighting over the use of the word “sovereignty”. There is not a broad consensus, there is a multiplicity of perspectives and theories of change informed by tradition, lived experience, theory, and practice.

      I’m so sick of this delusion by settlers that the only proper leftist take is the one that lets them continue to live their lives without consequences and without suffering.

      • @CountryBreakfast
        8•1 year ago

        So Tribal elders are just fools then. My teachers are fools because they don’t listen to the right podcasts. Oh! And Indigenous people aren’t a bloc so… I shouldn’t listen to my teachers because by doing so I am somehow acting against tribal interests.

        You sound like an ultra that isnt on the ground but rather lives in a hyper reality you wish to enforce on others. It would be a damn shame if I didn’t follow the direction and wisdom of literal Tribal elders and Indigenous activists in my own comlunity and chose to listen to your moronic diatribes.

      • @CountryBreakfast
        7•1 year ago

        I’m so sick of this delusion by settlers that the only proper leftist take is the one that lets them continue to live their lives without consequences and without suffering.

        Its just a take from real Indigenous people, scholars, activists, elders, and leaders. There will obviously be upheaval brought by genuine decolonial action but that isnt the fucking same as sending hundreds of millions of people back to Europe As if its even possible or makes any damn sense.

        Also, fuck the left. I don’t give a goddamn what some leftist is saying. I don’t get my directions from them.

        • @freagle
          -4•1 year ago

          Its just a take from real Indigenous people, scholars, activists, elders, and leaders.

          It’s a highly selective take, one that matches your interests.

          There will obviously be upheaval brought by genuine decolonial action

          Like literally entire cities of millions of people being evacuated from lack of water.

          but that isnt the fucking same as sending hundreds of millions of people back to Europe

          Again, try reasoning about reactionism and what is likely to happen, because it sure as shit isn’t going to be a bunch of white people being like “oh, it’s OK, we’re all proles, I totally understand why you won’t let us destroy that habitat anymore and why my kids can’t grow up in the way I did. Please, teach us your ways”

          As if its even possible or makes any damn sense

          Have you even studied what happened in the USSR?

          Also, fuck the left

          Ummmm…

          I don’t give a goddamn what some leftist is saying.

          Yeah, that’s what I’m saying about you.

          I don’t get my directions from them.

          Wut?