I’ve heard conflicting things about their political orientation.

    • @CommisarChowdahead
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      Appeals to normality now, huh? How’s it going? This was in a thread talking about their ideology, and how it is opposed to Marxism. I am not pitting a Mexican settler state against indigenous people in general, I am expecting that a socialist state in Mexico would needs center and prioritize indigenous people, and suggesting that that state might end up in conflict with a specific indigenous organization with a passionate difference in ideology.

      • ⚧️TheConquestOfBed♀️
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        The point, which is going waaaaaayyyyyyy over your head is that it’s not the place of a bunch of white people to surmise or steer the discourse on what indigenous people should be doing. If you respect them and their autonomy, as you say you do, then you would listen to what they have to say or mind your own business. An armchair socialist isn’t the peer of actual fighters and border defenders. Buying some coffee doesn’t mean you own a share in your investment or whatever you think that affords you.

        • @CommisarChowdahead
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          I mean, I phrased it as question because it was. You could have answered the question in any way you chose, and immediately jumped to attacking me as a chauvinist. I don’t think I get to decide what they do, but I’m free to be skeptical of their choices not to affiliate with others (I make the same criticism of the IWW). I didn’t claim I’m on the same level as someone engaged in armed struggle and even acknowledged I wasn’t before, I don’t know what point you think you’re making there.

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            Because you boiled the struggle of an alliance between multiple neighboring Mayan ethnic groups to resist colonization and subsist on their own land without being beholden to the interests of European/USian powers, something many other indigenous societies succumbed to, including the Inca and Aztec Empires to “playing commune out in the jungle”. It shows a complete and naive misunderstanding of the issue. You speak with authority when you have nothing of interest to say. That’s how it was so easy for me to clock you as white.

            Your opinion was so much more haughty than my original explanation and when you encounter resistance to your holier than thou mentality you cry like a little fascist. If you really are a marxist then do some self-crit and distance yourself from this superiority complex you’ve got going on. It’s unhelpful.

            • @CommisarChowdahead
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              What superiority complex? Please explain for me how having some mild criticisms of a group an wondering about their future if they were to continue to oppose Marxism and others in their country is a superiority complex. I would like to internalize what you are saying but I don’t see how what you are saying is quite relevant. I don’t pretend to be an expert, I don’t pretend to be a leader, I am a random communist talking about something on a tiny internet website. I am hardly publishing a scathing rebuke of all that they are, nor would I want to.

              You are right, calling it playing commune is too dismissive. They have accomplished something worth being proud of, hence why I have done what I can with my very limited influence to support them. I was over reacting to some of the stuff I got into on that anarchist site. It’s very frustrating to see that there is such a gulf between people who should otherwise have a lot in common.

      • Fiona (she/her)🏳️‍⚧️
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        Appeals to normality now, huh?

        Ad hominem. Whataboutism. Third buzzword.

        Hmmmm, gee, I wonder who else wanted to get rid of the “problematic natives”

        Hey, look on the bright side, you’ve got a *glowing* career down at the CIA

        • @CommisarChowdahead
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          I am not suggesting “getting rid” of anyone. Where do you think I said that? I am talking about a political of two ideologies that do not get along potentially fighting each other, not ethnic cleansing or genocide, and that is completely clear. I am clearly advocating solidarity between indigenous groups, and between peasants and proletarians, and you think this is somehow the CIA. I have made clear I am not advocating violence against them, but rather entertaining what you seem not to acknowledge is the possibility of conflict between Marxists and non-Marxists. I have clarified that I think indigenous people need to at the center of the socialist movement in Mexico, and this has convinced you that I hate indigenous people, makes perfect sense. Their rejection of Marxism could put them at odds with a broader nationwide movement in the future, and that is what I am talking about.

          Again, what ways have you supported them, other than suggesting that I hate them, which you seem to think is super helpful to them.

          • Fiona (she/her)🏳️‍⚧️
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            I am not suggesting “getting rid” of anyone.

            You were “asking questions” about them being crushed if they don’t agree with your hypothetical future Mexican state.

            I am clearly advocating solidarity between indigenous groups

            You are clearly advocating “solidarity” between groups that agree with your idea of Marxism, and destruction for those who don’t

            • @CommisarChowdahead
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              Go back and actually read what I wrote… I asked if it might happen, I never advocated for it. Hold you fucking horses for a second. As I said to someone else, you could have answered the question any way you wanted, and rather than doing that attacked me as hating indigenous people for speculating about conflict between what I am proposing would be a large front including many indigenous people against one specific group. I never suggested that the people that live in Chiapas should be, need to be, or would in this hypothetical be killed, I am talking about conflict between discreet political organizations, and in the scenario I am setting out neither could be said to represent indigenous people in general.

              • Fiona (she/her)🏳️‍⚧️
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                I never advocated for it. Hold you fucking horses for a second

                what I am proposing would be a large front including many indigenous people against one specific group.

                You are chauvinist scum. It is laughable that you think indigenous peoples would align with people such as yourself to attack other indigenous peoples.

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                  I’ve studied indigenous history, read some books written about specific peoples and events by members of those groups. They are not, counter to what you seem to think, a homogenous group. There are many different and disparate indigenous peoples and political structures, and they do not all believe the same things or get along. Please go read about some of the war that were fought over colonialism and you will see how your idea of the indigenous being a united front is wrong. I would like to see a united front of all of them, but I don’t think that Zapatistas are that way inclined. I could be wrong, and perhaps they will demonstrate that. Hence, critical support.