To give them some semblance of sel determination, i’m a king so it wouldn’t be socialism, not in USA anyway, and it’s absolutely clear that they won’t get any selfdetermination on federal level, it would be easier in states.
The purpose isn’t to help the people really, current USA is sadly too fucked up for that, the purpose is to defend the rest of the world from USA. Balkanization on state level, though it won’t last since they would join anyway would at worst given the world years maybe evn decades of reprive and at best make former USA into several lasting state blocks, with more ruling representation of current minorities.
if you are absolute king you could atleast try to make it socialism but whatever.
The american empire IS the current institutions of the American government and wallstreet if they arent around anymore neither is the empire its not like the american people are somehow more empire prone than any other peoples on earth. There seems to be this idea among some leftist that the US and its people just need to be fucking destroyed and idk fucking reeks when you advocating for trying to fuck over hundreds of millions of working class people to sate some kind of misdirected bloodlust that does seem very leftist
The hell you are even about? nobody is thinking of nuking USA. Not only you completely missed the point and first post, you completely ignored the artificial character of the colonial settler state, you think socialism could ever be decreed by monarch and how the hell do you even imagine an alternative? Peace and flowers in barrels? Fall of USA will be long and bloody, balkanization is the least brutal scenario.
And all this even before we start to talk about decolonization and the fact that right now as we speak US is literally destroying the entire world under our feet, not to mention dozens of atrocities locally.
What could be the difference between the US’ and Cuba’s standings in the neoliberal world order such that the dissolution of one would benefit the global proletariat much more than the other’s…
the dissolution of the US wouldn’t happen at any point when it would be in any way beneficial to the global proletariat, it certainly would never happen while it still has an empire or even while it is still ruled by capitalist, so calls for such a thing are nothing more than bloodlust for the suffering of other working people for no benefit to anyone. again it is the same as calls for balkanization of countries like china it is never a good thing because it can only happen to a state which has been defeated.
If the most reactionary imperial force in the world were suddenly no longer an influence then the multipolar world would be free to rise up. With no artificial backing puppets like South Korea and the United Kingdom would soon crumble, making room for progressive forces.
You’re acting like we’re talking about a hypothetical where the US government will disappear tomorrow vs you can impose socialism as a single person on a very anti-communist population. Whereas what we are saying is you can’t impose socialism on people, especially in such a big country without support, and a very anticommunist population. Therefore, if one of us were to magically become the monarch of the US, we would dismantle the capitalist propaganda, gulag the most fervent reactionaries and give support to those fighting for liberation, like indigenous anti-colonial struggles, or things like the black panthers, and leave, hoping that will lead to an organic rise in socialism. Also, the US is an artificial settler colonial state that is imperialist, and has only existed very recently, and somewhere like China has a long ancient history and has been one unit for millennia, and Is antiimperialist. The former Balkanized would mean the viscous imperialist state is no longer the monopoly on violence, whereas the balkanization of the ladder would mean the artificial separation of a once United land for the benefit of imperialists.
To give them some semblance of sel determination, i’m a king so it wouldn’t be socialism, not in USA anyway, and it’s absolutely clear that they won’t get any selfdetermination on federal level, it would be easier in states.
The purpose isn’t to help the people really, current USA is sadly too fucked up for that, the purpose is to defend the rest of the world from USA. Balkanization on state level, though it won’t last since they would join anyway would at worst given the world years maybe evn decades of reprive and at best make former USA into several lasting state blocks, with more ruling representation of current minorities.
if you are absolute king you could atleast try to make it socialism but whatever.
The american empire IS the current institutions of the American government and wallstreet if they arent around anymore neither is the empire its not like the american people are somehow more empire prone than any other peoples on earth. There seems to be this idea among some leftist that the US and its people just need to be fucking destroyed and idk fucking reeks when you advocating for trying to fuck over hundreds of millions of working class people to sate some kind of misdirected bloodlust that does seem very leftist
The hell you are even about? nobody is thinking of nuking USA. Not only you completely missed the point and first post, you completely ignored the artificial character of the colonial settler state, you think socialism could ever be decreed by monarch and how the hell do you even imagine an alternative? Peace and flowers in barrels? Fall of USA will be long and bloody, balkanization is the least brutal scenario.
And all this even before we start to talk about decolonization and the fact that right now as we speak US is literally destroying the entire world under our feet, not to mention dozens of atrocities locally.
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What could be the difference between the US’ and Cuba’s standings in the neoliberal world order such that the dissolution of one would benefit the global proletariat much more than the other’s…
the dissolution of the US wouldn’t happen at any point when it would be in any way beneficial to the global proletariat, it certainly would never happen while it still has an empire or even while it is still ruled by capitalist, so calls for such a thing are nothing more than bloodlust for the suffering of other working people for no benefit to anyone. again it is the same as calls for balkanization of countries like china it is never a good thing because it can only happen to a state which has been defeated.
If the most reactionary imperial force in the world were suddenly no longer an influence then the multipolar world would be free to rise up. With no artificial backing puppets like South Korea and the United Kingdom would soon crumble, making room for progressive forces.
did you even read what i said
You’re acting like we’re talking about a hypothetical where the US government will disappear tomorrow vs you can impose socialism as a single person on a very anti-communist population. Whereas what we are saying is you can’t impose socialism on people, especially in such a big country without support, and a very anticommunist population. Therefore, if one of us were to magically become the monarch of the US, we would dismantle the capitalist propaganda, gulag the most fervent reactionaries and give support to those fighting for liberation, like indigenous anti-colonial struggles, or things like the black panthers, and leave, hoping that will lead to an organic rise in socialism. Also, the US is an artificial settler colonial state that is imperialist, and has only existed very recently, and somewhere like China has a long ancient history and has been one unit for millennia, and Is antiimperialist. The former Balkanized would mean the viscous imperialist state is no longer the monopoly on violence, whereas the balkanization of the ladder would mean the artificial separation of a once United land for the benefit of imperialists.