Okay so I was scrolling through the PSL’s info page, and it is stated that they are to denuclearize the power grid. Why is this? I was under the impression that Nuclear Energy is the much more sustainable and frankly realistic source of power–even without Molten Salt Reactors and Thorium based ones.

 Im finding it most orgs tend to stay away from Nuclear energy due to fear mongering from fossil fuel industries; Thus its stain in the imperial core, reaching from liberals to western "leftists". But I am surprised the PSL, a radical organization, is anti-nuclear.

   FYI this isn't a deal breaker or anything--they seem to be taking the lead for vanguard party--just was curious of the stance on nuclear energy.
  • Samubai
    7·
    2 years ago

    Thorium-based molten salt reactors are very promising and there are many ways to get around the trickyness of traditional nuclear energy.

    There are schematics for these dating back to mid XX century. Thorium reactors are pretty much incapable of melting down since it’s reaction requires constant energy input to fissure, contrasted with uranium which needs energy input to keep from melting down and chain reacting. Thorium is at present date simply considered mining refuse bc it’s so abundant while uranium is rarer than gold. The reason why thorium was not accepted for experimentation is bc uranium is much easier to weaponize, as it requires much less processing.

    I think people just need to be informed. A true environmentalist will readily accept the need for nuclear energy. While clout-chasers will continue to deny its necessity.

      • commiespammer
        3·
        2 years ago

        not really, it’s more nuanced than that. It was never quite figured out how to make reactors with it, although that information might be outdated.

        • Samubai
          1·
          2 years ago

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor

          Here’s the wiki page. The science is solid. They know how to make them and there are experimental reactors. It’s safer than uranium reactors for lots of reasons, but no energy is without flaws or disadvantages.

          They’ve mostly just not invested the resources into it, but we can blame that on the profit motive and the bomb lol.

          PS. It’s hard to really understand the nuances of this stuff if you’re not some nuclear scientist… I’m most certainly not.

          • thetablesareorange
            13·
            2 years ago

            we can blame it on the fact that it doesn’t work just scroll to the disadvantages section too see why: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor#Disadvantages

            These are just conspiracy theories, put out by Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, and the Koch bros. It’s less credible than Tesla’s free wireless energy for all conspiracy theory. Please answer this, if the evil US big bankers and big oil and big hollywood are all conspiring against the poor honest aryan nuclear industry then why is there zero amazing futuristic advancements in salt water thorium blah blah blah anywhere else on planet earth, not the USSR, China, North Korea, Cuba, Iran?.. are they all in on this conspiracy too then?

            you can say “if we just invest more resources into” anything, why not clean coal? how about we invest more resources into solar, wind, hydro, geothermal and make them more efficient? Even if we outlaw nuclear power plants, nuclear missiles, medical research, nuclear engines for aircraft cruisers will still be experimented on and developed so if some miraculous discovery in the field occurs we will be sure to build a ton of nuclear power plants like you desperately want for some strange reason, but for now its more expensive than actual renewables like wind and solar, even after trillions of dollars, and decades of research by the finest scientists in every country.

            • Samubai
              3·
              2 years ago

              Can you please calm down? No need to go on a hostile rant. Why does thorium trigger people so much?

              I don’t assume you are qualified to speak on the validity of nuclear science… especially based on a dusty wiki article. It’s literally nuclear science… development of these projects take up to decades and it has nothing to do with the Koch brothers…

              The thing is that there have been thousands of times more investment into uranium reactors and dealing with their limitations and disadvantages… don’t you think that the constant energy input to prevent meltdown constitutes a huge disadvantage for uranium?

              Second of all, not all countries have access to uranium. It’s rarer than gold. How would you account for that? Shouldn’t all nations have access to safe and clean energy? How can they achieve that if they can’t even access the fuel source?

              • thetablesareorange
                14·
                2 years ago

                you’re not debating you’re blatantly ignoring everything I’m writing, dismissing every point I’m making, and continuing to spread this nonsense conspiracy theory that you can find plastered all over stormfront, infowars, and 4chan. Im happy to teach you more about nuclear science if you want, but you don’t seem to want to learn anything, you’re confident in your falsehoods, and are also confessing that not only do you have no knowledge about the subject, but you’re not willing learn anything about it. Would you like me to go through the whole list on the “dusty wiki article” that you literally posted yourself but is now somehow magically not good enough? What even are these questions? “not all countries have uranium so how will we give everyone nuclear power without thorium?” is that what you’re asking, the person who said we should outlaw all nuclear power? really?

            • commiespammer
              3·
              2 years ago

              you know, smelting iron is such a resource intensive process… we should’ve just stuck with stone tools.

              science takes time. Learn patience.

              • thetablesareorange
                13·
                2 years ago

                last i checked the whole planet is about to melt, we don’t have time to build all the nuclear plants we would need, much less wait around crossing our fingers for white jesus to give us some kind of miracle nuclear power station. This only makes sense if you think renewable energy is communist witchcraft. So im not surprised to see it on infowars and fox news but what the living fuck is it doing here?

                • Samubai
                  3·
                  2 years ago

                  Earth is melting? Bruh, are u serious?

                  Earth is a giant orb of melted rock. We sit on the crust of this giant orb. We can very much thank the very melty part of earth for our existence on top of its cooled crust, for it creates an electromagnetic field shielding us from radioactive sun rays…

                  White Jesus? Info wars? On what authority or on what basis are you making these claims? On anonymity on the interwebs? Please don’t make lemmygrad Reddit with your unwarranted toxicity.

                  Edit: beyond this, the nations that are pioneering the science are in China, India and Russia… not exactly the profile for “white Jesus”

                  • thetablesareorange
                    13·
                    2 years ago

                    are you denying global warming now too? next you’ll be saying the earth is flat…