Fuck you reddit 2.0, took you long enough. Thanks though, we’ll stop seeing your crap posters pollute our comment section from now on.
90% of people we ban come from world. Very funny that they said they saw a rise of hate speech from our instance though considering the worlders we ban are fucking genocidal maniacs and fascists. You can check the modlog (it’s unfortunately federated), we are one of the tamest instances when it comes to banning people and deleting comments/posts.
For any worlder that was based and liked interacting with lemmygrad (you will notice we did not ban good faith participants), I recommend you make an account on a third-party instance that federates with us, like ml or ee until they also defederate from us because we have principles 🙃
Fuck israel, Palestine will be free a month from now mark my words 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
On top of that, for the worlders finally breathing free again now that the scary tankies are away, you think the USSR wasn’t communist or whatever. You base that on whatever you’ve been taught in school. We’ve read things. We’ve actually gone beyond whatever our high school teachers said and looked into the USSR for ourselves. If you’re not cowards you will debate us about communism and “totalitarian” regimes, we’ll wipe the floor with you. Bet you don’t even know where the world totalitarian comes from or who coined it without looking it up.
And we retain our perfect track record of not blocking real instances while you further isolate yourselves from anything that might cause you some amount of discomfort. Really good democracy you got going there where wannabe tech bros instance admins decide for you what you’re allowed to see, must be those liberal values I hear so much about.
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What happened in Hungary 1956 was a fascist counter-revolutionary uprising, an attempt to overthrow the worker’s state and usher capitalism back in.
We are now in 2023, there are plenty of sources out there that you can use to educate yourself about this history, you don’t need to keep clinging to anti-communist myths.
Do you think that right wingers, reactionaries and the most rabid anti-communists today would be celebrating and mythologizing those events the way they do if they really aimed at establishing “democratic socialism”? You may as well claim Gorbachev was trying to establish “democratic socialism”, it is just as absurd a narrative.
There was already democratic socialism in Hungary and in the USSR. Socialism is true democracy: workers’ democracy, NOT liberal “democracy”. The so-called “democratic socialism” term used by the western left is merely a euphemism for social democracy, which is inherently capitalist.
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Demands means absolutely nothing by itself. Especially demands from the liberal sympathisers. Look at solidarność in Poland. They won but of their famous 21 demands literally just a single one was fulfilled. Rest changed into poverty, suicide, mass unemployment and shock therapy in the meantime, and solidarność itself was and still is used to crush the working class power.
Democratic socialism is when you lynch communists, release fascist prisoners, welcome returning fascists from the west and mark jewish homes. Thank you for clearing that up.
Well, as with any inquiry, I would ask that you explain your reasoning for that. But we can start with the example you’ve given:
Hungarian revolution in 1956
This was a counter-revolution attempt with fascists at the helm:
And the sources: 1- https://www.idcommunism.com/2016/04/the-1956-counter-revolution-in-hungary.html 2- https://www.idcommunism.com/2016/10/truth-and-lies-about-socialism-on-60th.html
Some counter-revolutionaries were burning pictures of Lenin. What did Lenin have to do with socialist Hungary?
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Waiting for you to reach a stage in your political education where you either realize the lib “humanitarian” concerns about the Soviets are manufactured out of rage over the colonized world rebelling or you revert to a bloodthirsty lib braying for palestinian blood.
The humanitarian concerns you’re parroting are the same manufactured concerns brought up every time there has been a rebellion of colonized, enslaved and indigenous peoples since the Haitian slave revolt.
Reactionaries create fantasies to justify why any resistance to capital should be crushed. Why there can surely be no good example to threaten the liberal model.
Sorry but that’s also a fairy tale. Socialism isn’t hard, surviving the reaction is.
You think it’s hard to plan production and have an egalitarian distribution of resources? You’re saying 90% of human history is impossible.
Tell me with a straight face that GOSPLAN or CYBERSYN would not be able produce consumer goods if they weren’t needed to produce ICBMs.
GOSPLAN can smash the Third Reich, send the first men into space, build the first space stations, build thousands of ICBMs, erect tens millions of houses and eliminate homelessness but it can not run a Walmart?
Lol, lmao.
“Communist state” is oxymoronic. It was socialist, as socialism is the stage of transition toward stateless classless communism.
Tbf you could call a proletarian state with a communist party at the helm a communist state, in as much as communism is the real movement to abolish the present state of things.
It doesn’t need to be “ideal”, that’s where the “critical” in “critical support” comes in.
Where exactly are all these people who supposedly believe that the USSR and other socialist experiments are flawless and therefore above criticism? It’s almost like they only exist in your imagination.
Dude, shut the fuck up. The way communists use these words to describe affiliation, they are interchangeable, and no one is saying the USSR was a classless society (the other sense of communism).
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Do you want your End of History back?
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Do you not think that the USSR was democratic? Here is a cia source talking about the USSR under Stalin:
https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/na344i/cia_document_stalin_was_not_a_dictator_by_utrorez/
Relevant part is screenshot, link to cia document in the second top comment.
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Literally the CIA, the biggest anticommunists on the block, dont consider him a dictator, based on the internal docs, one of which I just linked.
Also one party democracy is still democracy. How does having two or more shitty parties better reflect the will of the population compared to a proletarian party with internal factions?
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The position of communists is that liberal democracy is farcical and only by suppressing and eventually annihilating the bourgeoisie as a class can democracy exist in a more proper sense. Not one Marxist hates democracy, their ideology is based upon making democratic power the most central power rather than capital, hence the “Dictatorship of the Proletariat,” i.e. “the vast majority of the population ruling society without constraint by the tiny minority, the bourgeoisie”.
How? You can still have competitive elections in one party states. Arguably moreso because there isn’t a bourgeois media apparatus picking winners.
No, it isnt. For example, banning the formation of a nazi party isn’t undemocratic. They literally have a different threshold of the paradox of tolerance that extends to all of the right wing, not just fascism.
The idea that parties existing or not is the thing that determines whether or not a democracy apparently exists is really bizarre.
From our point of view, working class people have a singular set of interests in opposition to the capitalist class. Capitalist nations have multiple parties because the ruling classes there are unified except in regards to maintain capitalism. Otherwise their interests conflict.
In America, the domestic bourgeoisie are more catered to by the Republicans, and the international bourgeoisie more the Democrats. That’s an exaggeration and broad strokes, but historically the reason they’re separate have been because they had separate sets of patronage networks and catered to different regions of the countries. Democrats in the late 19th century were represented by southern land owners and banks. Republicans were more the party of northern manufacturing.
So while the capitalist classes have separate interests requiring different sets of political interests, the working class aren’t in conflict with ourselves. We all want the same things. Higher wages, better healthcare, housing, fewer labor hours. And we can get all of that without splitting ourselves into competitive parties. Why would you form a party contrary to the interests of socialism in the first place?
Multiple parties in a socialist country is like inviting foreign capitalists to come in and sabotage democracy. It gives them a wedge with which to run their own little puppet candidates to weaken broad, unified socialist interests
Why? I can find you probably a dozen liberal thinkers (liberals in the original meaning of the word) who disagree with this assertion, and who thought the opposite actually. But this is more of a question for you, to help you start questioning things you might not have questioned before. Why is plurality automatically more democratic?
I love how he fucked off after this question specifically
And who told you a single man could order the execution of his political rivals? Like where did you learn that the first time?
Because democracy is when parties, the more parties you have the more democratier you are. And when every person has their own party, it’s full democracy
To be fair, you could unironically make this argument (ignoring the fact that a party system would de facto form out of coalitions)
Yes, why not take a look at Hungary in 1956? Go ahead. You clearly haven’t.