Lmfao bro, one of the sources you posted, Ovdinfo, is literally a prowest NGO funded by the European Union and Memorial (yes, the anticommunist NGO created in 1989 by Sakharov the liberal to “investigate stalinist crimes” and which greatly contributed to the collapse of the USSR). It literally took me 2 minutes of googling to find this out. If you wont even bother to make sure the sources you are using arent literally western propaganda, then im sorry but i wont take anything you say seriously. I dont have time to look at who funds the other sources but i invite you and any other comrade to do so.
The CPRF gets funded by the russian government because it gets votes, all other parties do. This is not a sinister conspiracy, its the norm in all liberal “democracies”. The Communist Party of Greece, a very based party, also gets such funding for the same reasons. How is this a bad thing? Should we make the work of the party even more difficult by not even accepting this small unconditional funding while the bourgeois parties get billions from corporations? Also you are literally debunking your own argument. How is the CPRF controlled opposition if they are denouncing on their own website these acts of state repression? You are literally not making any sense. And no, Russia is not “totalitarian”, unless you consider the European Union to be totalitarian too, because they do the same shit or even worse. This was exactly my point, because prowest sources (like Ovdinfo that YOU cited) always ramble about Russia doing these things but stay silent when the west does, thus giving the image that Russia is “totalitarian” while the west is “democratic and free”. This was exactly my point when i talked about “Russia isnt totalitarian”.
Edit: Yeah sure, just downvote me instead of addressing the fact you are spreading literal western propaganda funded by the European Union and US proxies in a communist space. Great praxis.
Oh so you will not say anything then? You slip in literal western propaganda as it were honest facts and you wont even apologise or recognize it? Im not saying you have to agree with me, but at least dont go peddling western propaganda dude. If it was an honest mistake then just say it, we all make mistakes. But instead you downvote me and move on, as if im lying, while you were literally peddling criminal western propaganda used to justify war against Russia. Very disappointing.
Ok, what happened is that I looked for sources describing events as I remember it since I don’t store the links regarding every single news piece, and it happened that this site provided an outline that seemed decent at a glance. I’ve replaced it with the statement on CPRF official site now as they describe the same events making the same point, though I would have to go through dozen of articles to give an equally decent outline which I won’t.
And yeah, I do think US, EU and Russia all have state political repression, and none of them is “democratic and free”. I’m concerned particularly about Russia starting to openly attack labor organizers and fledging communists in past years.
But also, I don’t enjoy communicating with you, and at this point I’m happy to resign to history having to prove one of us wrong.
Fair enough, i apologize if i was rude to you, but we cannot tolerate western propaganda here, its very harmful (i think you will agree). I still want to warn you to be careful with newssites that label themselves as “independent anticorruption” and so on. They are very often funded by the west through NGOs. They are very common in eastern europe and southeast asia. Look im not saying CPRF is perfect, but frankly it looks clear to me that they are running a fine balance between opposing anticommunist repression in Russia and support Putin for antiimperialism. Hardly an easy task. Saying that they are “just like Putin/controlled by Putin” diminishes their struggle and achievements and supports western narratives that the only real opposition in Russia is the prowestern one. I hope you will understand my position and why i hold it. I dont think you understand how much of an achievement it is to have the 2nd biggest party in a country as big as Russia be the Communist Party with all the pervasive anticommunist narrative in East Europe since 1991. Here in Western Europe we are lucky if the Communist Party even gets into the parliament, and most big Communist Parties are completely reformists and proUS anyway. Even if CPRF has big problems, to just throw the whole party away seems irresponsible and incorrect to me. It reminds me of how maoists said USSR was completely corrupt and revisionist and opposed it.
And my major gripe with CPRF is that has over and over failed to do anything that would notably improve the standing of working class in Russia and it’s totally fine with being a springboard to power for the class enemy while higher officials spreading right-wing-ish idealism raking in millions of rubles yearly to personal account. While I’m not advocating for “throwing the whole party away”, and I would want to point again that many of lower ranking members are actual MLs and at some earnestly try to use the parliamentary system and the deputy rights for the social benefit and not the personal, I don’t see them being a party of proletariat in their current form — which too is subject to change based on material conditions.
Fair enough then, i can agree with that position. Happy we came to an understanding. Still you should be careful with certain sources, its bad for communism and it delegitimises your position. Thank you for sharing your thoughts Comrade! O7
Lmfao bro, one of the sources you posted, Ovdinfo, is literally a prowest NGO funded by the European Union and Memorial (yes, the anticommunist NGO created in 1989 by Sakharov the liberal to “investigate stalinist crimes” and which greatly contributed to the collapse of the USSR). It literally took me 2 minutes of googling to find this out. If you wont even bother to make sure the sources you are using arent literally western propaganda, then im sorry but i wont take anything you say seriously. I dont have time to look at who funds the other sources but i invite you and any other comrade to do so.
The CPRF gets funded by the russian government because it gets votes, all other parties do. This is not a sinister conspiracy, its the norm in all liberal “democracies”. The Communist Party of Greece, a very based party, also gets such funding for the same reasons. How is this a bad thing? Should we make the work of the party even more difficult by not even accepting this small unconditional funding while the bourgeois parties get billions from corporations? Also you are literally debunking your own argument. How is the CPRF controlled opposition if they are denouncing on their own website these acts of state repression? You are literally not making any sense. And no, Russia is not “totalitarian”, unless you consider the European Union to be totalitarian too, because they do the same shit or even worse. This was exactly my point, because prowest sources (like Ovdinfo that YOU cited) always ramble about Russia doing these things but stay silent when the west does, thus giving the image that Russia is “totalitarian” while the west is “democratic and free”. This was exactly my point when i talked about “Russia isnt totalitarian”.
Edit: Yeah sure, just downvote me instead of addressing the fact you are spreading literal western propaganda funded by the European Union and US proxies in a communist space. Great praxis.
Good thing we don’t have any more time to waste on each other then.
Oh so you will not say anything then? You slip in literal western propaganda as it were honest facts and you wont even apologise or recognize it? Im not saying you have to agree with me, but at least dont go peddling western propaganda dude. If it was an honest mistake then just say it, we all make mistakes. But instead you downvote me and move on, as if im lying, while you were literally peddling criminal western propaganda used to justify war against Russia. Very disappointing.
Ok, what happened is that I looked for sources describing events as I remember it since I don’t store the links regarding every single news piece, and it happened that this site provided an outline that seemed decent at a glance. I’ve replaced it with the statement on CPRF official site now as they describe the same events making the same point, though I would have to go through dozen of articles to give an equally decent outline which I won’t.
And yeah, I do think US, EU and Russia all have state political repression, and none of them is “democratic and free”. I’m concerned particularly about Russia starting to openly attack labor organizers and fledging communists in past years.
But also, I don’t enjoy communicating with you, and at this point I’m happy to resign to history having to prove one of us wrong.
Fair enough, i apologize if i was rude to you, but we cannot tolerate western propaganda here, its very harmful (i think you will agree). I still want to warn you to be careful with newssites that label themselves as “independent anticorruption” and so on. They are very often funded by the west through NGOs. They are very common in eastern europe and southeast asia. Look im not saying CPRF is perfect, but frankly it looks clear to me that they are running a fine balance between opposing anticommunist repression in Russia and support Putin for antiimperialism. Hardly an easy task. Saying that they are “just like Putin/controlled by Putin” diminishes their struggle and achievements and supports western narratives that the only real opposition in Russia is the prowestern one. I hope you will understand my position and why i hold it. I dont think you understand how much of an achievement it is to have the 2nd biggest party in a country as big as Russia be the Communist Party with all the pervasive anticommunist narrative in East Europe since 1991. Here in Western Europe we are lucky if the Communist Party even gets into the parliament, and most big Communist Parties are completely reformists and proUS anyway. Even if CPRF has big problems, to just throw the whole party away seems irresponsible and incorrect to me. It reminds me of how maoists said USSR was completely corrupt and revisionist and opposed it.
And my major gripe with CPRF is that has over and over failed to do anything that would notably improve the standing of working class in Russia and it’s totally fine with being a springboard to power for the class enemy while higher officials spreading right-wing-ish idealism raking in millions of rubles yearly to personal account. While I’m not advocating for “throwing the whole party away”, and I would want to point again that many of lower ranking members are actual MLs and at some earnestly try to use the parliamentary system and the deputy rights for the social benefit and not the personal, I don’t see them being a party of proletariat in their current form — which too is subject to change based on material conditions.
Fair enough then, i can agree with that position. Happy we came to an understanding. Still you should be careful with certain sources, its bad for communism and it delegitimises your position. Thank you for sharing your thoughts Comrade! O7
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