Oh so you will not say anything then? You slip in literal western propaganda as it were honest facts and you wont even apologise or recognize it? Im not saying you have to agree with me, but at least dont go peddling western propaganda dude. If it was an honest mistake then just say it, we all make mistakes. But instead you downvote me and move on, as if im lying, while you were literally peddling criminal western propaganda used to justify war against Russia. Very disappointing.
Ok, what happened is that I looked for sources describing events as I remember it since I don’t store the links regarding every single news piece, and it happened that this site provided an outline that seemed decent at a glance. I’ve replaced it with the statement on CPRF official site now as they describe the same events making the same point, though I would have to go through dozen of articles to give an equally decent outline which I won’t.
And yeah, I do think US, EU and Russia all have state political repression, and none of them is “democratic and free”. I’m concerned particularly about Russia starting to openly attack labor organizers and fledging communists in past years.
But also, I don’t enjoy communicating with you, and at this point I’m happy to resign to history having to prove one of us wrong.
Fair enough, i apologize if i was rude to you, but we cannot tolerate western propaganda here, its very harmful (i think you will agree). I still want to warn you to be careful with newssites that label themselves as “independent anticorruption” and so on. They are very often funded by the west through NGOs. They are very common in eastern europe and southeast asia. Look im not saying CPRF is perfect, but frankly it looks clear to me that they are running a fine balance between opposing anticommunist repression in Russia and support Putin for antiimperialism. Hardly an easy task. Saying that they are “just like Putin/controlled by Putin” diminishes their struggle and achievements and supports western narratives that the only real opposition in Russia is the prowestern one. I hope you will understand my position and why i hold it. I dont think you understand how much of an achievement it is to have the 2nd biggest party in a country as big as Russia be the Communist Party with all the pervasive anticommunist narrative in East Europe since 1991. Here in Western Europe we are lucky if the Communist Party even gets into the parliament, and most big Communist Parties are completely reformists and proUS anyway. Even if CPRF has big problems, to just throw the whole party away seems irresponsible and incorrect to me. It reminds me of how maoists said USSR was completely corrupt and revisionist and opposed it.
And my major gripe with CPRF is that has over and over failed to do anything that would notably improve the standing of working class in Russia and it’s totally fine with being a springboard to power for the class enemy while higher officials spreading right-wing-ish idealism raking in millions of rubles yearly to personal account. While I’m not advocating for “throwing the whole party away”, and I would want to point again that many of lower ranking members are actual MLs and at some earnestly try to use the parliamentary system and the deputy rights for the social benefit and not the personal, I don’t see them being a party of proletariat in their current form — which too is subject to change based on material conditions.
Fair enough then, i can agree with that position. Happy we came to an understanding. Still you should be careful with certain sources, its bad for communism and it delegitimises your position. Thank you for sharing your thoughts Comrade! O7
Good thing we don’t have any more time to waste on each other then.
Oh so you will not say anything then? You slip in literal western propaganda as it were honest facts and you wont even apologise or recognize it? Im not saying you have to agree with me, but at least dont go peddling western propaganda dude. If it was an honest mistake then just say it, we all make mistakes. But instead you downvote me and move on, as if im lying, while you were literally peddling criminal western propaganda used to justify war against Russia. Very disappointing.
Ok, what happened is that I looked for sources describing events as I remember it since I don’t store the links regarding every single news piece, and it happened that this site provided an outline that seemed decent at a glance. I’ve replaced it with the statement on CPRF official site now as they describe the same events making the same point, though I would have to go through dozen of articles to give an equally decent outline which I won’t.
And yeah, I do think US, EU and Russia all have state political repression, and none of them is “democratic and free”. I’m concerned particularly about Russia starting to openly attack labor organizers and fledging communists in past years.
But also, I don’t enjoy communicating with you, and at this point I’m happy to resign to history having to prove one of us wrong.
Fair enough, i apologize if i was rude to you, but we cannot tolerate western propaganda here, its very harmful (i think you will agree). I still want to warn you to be careful with newssites that label themselves as “independent anticorruption” and so on. They are very often funded by the west through NGOs. They are very common in eastern europe and southeast asia. Look im not saying CPRF is perfect, but frankly it looks clear to me that they are running a fine balance between opposing anticommunist repression in Russia and support Putin for antiimperialism. Hardly an easy task. Saying that they are “just like Putin/controlled by Putin” diminishes their struggle and achievements and supports western narratives that the only real opposition in Russia is the prowestern one. I hope you will understand my position and why i hold it. I dont think you understand how much of an achievement it is to have the 2nd biggest party in a country as big as Russia be the Communist Party with all the pervasive anticommunist narrative in East Europe since 1991. Here in Western Europe we are lucky if the Communist Party even gets into the parliament, and most big Communist Parties are completely reformists and proUS anyway. Even if CPRF has big problems, to just throw the whole party away seems irresponsible and incorrect to me. It reminds me of how maoists said USSR was completely corrupt and revisionist and opposed it.
And my major gripe with CPRF is that has over and over failed to do anything that would notably improve the standing of working class in Russia and it’s totally fine with being a springboard to power for the class enemy while higher officials spreading right-wing-ish idealism raking in millions of rubles yearly to personal account. While I’m not advocating for “throwing the whole party away”, and I would want to point again that many of lower ranking members are actual MLs and at some earnestly try to use the parliamentary system and the deputy rights for the social benefit and not the personal, I don’t see them being a party of proletariat in their current form — which too is subject to change based on material conditions.
Fair enough then, i can agree with that position. Happy we came to an understanding. Still you should be careful with certain sources, its bad for communism and it delegitimises your position. Thank you for sharing your thoughts Comrade! O7
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