Today i had the misfortune of encountering a western “leftist” on Twitter. He stans Podemos (a spanish demsoc party, very liberal and proNATO, they are now in a coalition government with the socdems and they love Zelenski). We discussed the Ukraine War and Russia. I thought he would do the typical “ok the US and NATO are very bad, but Russia is bad too!” so i brought up the NATO invasions of Yugoslavia and Libya to show how the west is manufacturing consent now with Ukraine just like they did with Yugoslavia and Libya, which i assumed he would say were bad. Well the motherfucker goes and says “akchually those invasions were good, we stopped genocides and evil dictators”. WTF. How are these people “leftists”? They are straight up NATOist warhawks. How is this “the left” now? And this is in Europe, where the left is much stronger than in the US! I cant stand this. HOW IS THIS “LEFTISM”? Im so angry right now, what a piece of shit human being, defending imperialist genocides while calling himself a “leftist”. He even had the gull of saying “you arent a leftist, you defend genocidal regimes like the USSR, Putin or North Korea, youre a fascist!”. Fucking unbelievable. Ok rant over.

Oh and he also defended finnish and baltic nazis of WW2 and said “bolshevism is just like nazism”. Plus he said holodomor was real and when i showed him that expert historians on the subject like Mark Tauger, J Arch Getty and Stephen Wheatcroft think otherwise, he said “youre wrong, the historical consensus doesnt agree with you”.

  • PolandIsAStateOfMind
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    2 years ago

    I remember a post on r/GenZedong where the comments called all people advocating for a state athiest / secular government as reddit fedora bros lmfao.

    Yeah i was there too, it was painful to read. There was also one guy in other thread who said that only religious person can be truly marxist…

    These people should interact with the muslims in my country who after any critical question always deflect and tell to listen to the muftis and imams because they know better.

    But Hitchens singled out islam in his bourgeoisie atheism, this means automatically entire atheism bad and entire islam authomatically good. I told them about class characteristic of atheism and differences between bourgeoisie and marxism atheism, but at this point it became obvious they are just fideists using bourgeoisie atheism as excuse to attack not the bourgeoisie part, but entire atheism.