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Yes, the Western media is running many stories about China’s surveillance programs.
They are not of major concern to us since we do not live in China. Why should any of us care of the Tiktok is feeding our lame memes to China, we dont even live there.
Secondly the Western surveillance system operates to prop up the capitalist imperialist system and to suppress the working class.
the Five eyes surveillance system is much more extensive and sophisticated than anything operated by China Russia or Eye-ran. Western media obsession is projection or a diversion tactic
Do you support China’s surveillence of their own citizens? That was actually what I was trying to ask.
Do you support Western surveillance system?
No.
Fair enough. However, it is necessary in china due to being under constant attack from the capitalist powers.
the Western surveillance also claims to fight terrorism as well but that doesnt mean we should not attempt to avoid it
Just curious, do you see the fact that surveillance in China is highly centralized as an advantage or a disadvantage? Compared to western surveillance which is all over the place? I always see “Xi JingPing knows what you had for breakfast and can arrest you for it” as the biggest argument against it.
I mean, I’ve heard that most Chinese citizens support the surveillance programs with the main argument that it really does prevent crime. I don’t know about their internal politics but the people within the system probably have the most accurate perspective on it.
Exaggeration and Western one is much more extensive. NSA can monitor global communications in real time.
Another thing, since you mentioned “it is necessary in china due to being under constant attack from the capitalist powers.” If the whole world went socialist/communist, do you see state surveillance going down?
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Key thing is that the socialist society has to be a functional and stable society. So similarly for police, there will need to be police in the socialist society and similarly for other elements of the state: surveillance, state security, military etc
Many Western leftists on internet say that their version of socialism will have no police, prison, state security, military etc. no hierarchical oppression etc. And somehow people will all be well behaved and there will be social shaming of criminals or some sort of criminal justice system without police and prisons. Obviously, such a society would soon crumble and be unviable in real life. Perhaps mainstream Western leftism is very simplified and idealistic and focused on classing various things as “bad” without thinking about how they function in the system of capitalist production.
The recent anti-police protests in USA. the focus was solely on the police behavior and protesters demanded abolishing or defunding them. However, without police, the capitalist system would cease to function due to lack of enforcement of property claims. It is not surprising that none of the police departments have actually been abolished and any defunding was a tiny portion for maybe 1 year.
So, its not that police/ surveillance/ other state functions = bad, but rather they are bad because of their role in enforcing capitalism and imperialism.
Western surveillance is intensifying due to the contradictions of capitalism and conflicts from imperialism. a few years ago capitalism was stable enough such that anti-capitalists were not being banned from the R place
there should be less need for surveillance once class conflict is resolved with whole world being socialist. however, there will be elements of the ancien regime which will have to be dealt with
ive not thought about it much since it will likely be many decades in the future at least