I escaped the Reddit regime a little while ago. I consider myself a marxist-leninist-MZT. Vegetarian and vegan for a few years. I’ve a lot of thoughts on how marxism and veganism are connected. Never wrote them down. I’d like to start smth like a club for marxist vegans to develop our own proletarian theory. Most vegan theory I found is either openly bourgeois (Francione is a literal TERF) or revisionist (anti-China, anarchist, libertarian). How about fixing this?
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cravings won’t kill you. you’re conflating a desire and a need.
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Omnivore means you can eat meat, it does not mean you need to eat meat.
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this is genuinely what toddlers sound like. “i don’t like broccoli, i want chicken nuggets!”
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no one lacks comprehension of the fact that humans have historically eaten meat. we’re just making the (obvious, factual) claim that you don’t require it to survive in any capacity. your body won’t shut down without it. i’m not particularly interested in how you like your corpses cooked, at this point i’m alternately making fun of your childlike palate and making it clear that your claim that humans “need” to eat dead animals is goofy as fuck and you should be embarrassed about saying something so ignorant.
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o…kay? but that still doesn’t make it a requirement for you or anyone else. it’s just something you like. you can live without it just like every vegan does.
i’m not forcing you at gunpoint obviously, just pointing out that your reasoning is completely silly
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yes, as is choosing to kill living beings in order to eat their flesh. you are making a willing choice to contribute to more suffering in the world.
Plants are also living beings, your point is…
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i’m a white person in the united states, so my ancestors probably did a lot of genocide mostly. i don’t think i’m going to look to their example for anything.
you’re the one who’s afraid of vegetables lol, i don’t think you have any ground to stand on talking about what other people would and wouldn’t survive
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Actually, we might be opportunistic omnivores. Animals that we might otherwise think of as herbivores, like deer and rabbits, will occasionally eat meat when they crave it and when a scavenging opportunity presents itself.
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I mean, just like a substance or sugar withdrawal.
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Someone has to kill and prepare your meat, though, and it’s mentally and physically unhealthy. Don’t forget the worker.
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Based on the mental illnesses that are associated with slaughter work, I don’t believe they do it “without any problems”. They are able to cope with the harm they’re doing to themselves, but fundamentally we all empathize with animals and it hurts to hurt them.
I’ve killed animals. I fucking hate it and I won’t do it again if I can help it. It hurts.
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A lot of unhealthy things have been normal at different points in history, so I don’t really see your point.
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I don’t think it’s particularly healthy to think of the life of your fellow animal as disposable simply for the sake of your own pleasure.
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Are you really going to turn to Travis the chimpanzee for your moral compass?
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Are you saying that sober apes are known for being good role models?
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so it isn’t a need, it’s a craving. you “can’t live without meat” the same way a lib “can’t live without Hogwarts Legacy”.
also, apes are mostly frigivores and dont eat meat. biologically speaking we are also frugivores. what kind of omnivore needs to cook, cut, and season the meat before eating it, and then still have stomach and heart issues afterwards? we aren’t biologically designed to chew nor consume meat. if we were, we’d be able to pick meat right off the bone of a dead animal and eat it then and there, and not have any kind of issues about eating raw meat or too much cholesterol.
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