Hi,

jlai.lu is the french instance of Lemmy, some user posted this thread 16 days ago : https://jlai.lu/post/11504685, and a flamewar ensued between hexbear and the french, e.g. between happybadger and their administrator here.

Since they didn’t really have any reason to defederate initially, they’re now adamant that they should defederate only because of this discussion, since it proved that every Hexbear&Lemmygrad user is agressive(, as if jlai.lu users weren’t agressive in this discussion as well).
I still find hard to believe that they could defederate on such weak basis, and it does feel like a convenient excuse, but that’s what they’re saying, ask them for confirmation if you don’t believe it either.

They also used a list of post found on /c/MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works as if it was representative, but it hardly counts as an argument, what a stupid situation…

They’ve now pinned this post for 12 days, and the defederation with both Hexbear and Lemmygrad seems unavoidable.
I’ve known this for more than a week but didn’t care that much, yet when talking with them, and especially @Camus here, they/he said that they/he would like to talk to you. @Camus is very patient/nice, and you can look at his number of comments/posts to gauge his influence, probably their most active user(, kind of a french ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆).
Well, to be more precise, he informally asked for some excuses from Hexbear, but my post here didn’t reach them, perhaps because of “r*tard” in my username(, r*tardataire designate someone who’s late in french).
However, more than excuses in the name of others, you only have to show him that we’re not aggressive(, if you have some time, it won’t change much in the end), something very easy/natural to prove for >90% of Hexbear users(, and perhaps >70-80% of Lemmygrad 🙂, it does feel a bit more bitter/serious here, not a criticism).

They have some communities that aren’t that far apart from what could be found on Lemmygrad or Hexbear b.t.w., so it can’t really be said that they’d reject us solely based on terrorism apologia, supporting Stalin, etc.(, even if their “leftist” admin is against socialist countries because our capitalists said that they’re authoritarian).
Staying federated with a french instance would be useless for 99% of Hexbear and Lemmygrad, so if you intervene it’d mostly be on the behalf of current/future french users(, it can be nice sometimes to speak your native language without using an alt account), and perhaps also for Lemmygrad and Hexbear’s reputation on jlai.lu.
If you’re french, and/or simply nice, and want a chat with them, feel free to do so directly under the post or with @Camus.
(Kinda worth mentionning in passing that, currently, their top two posts of all time sorted by the most comments are the ones cited above about this defederation)

Also, keep in mind that this defederation is unavoidable though, if it doesn’t happen now it’ll be next year or the year after. As you know, reddit banned ChapoTrapHouse, GenZedong, etc., and we were quickly banned from lemmy.world and others, so we’ll one day be banned from other “centrist” instances such as the french one. Just like we’d also be banned/censored by our governement if our numbers grow enough to disturb/‘be a threat’.
Furthermore, Hexbear took action, and decided to defederate first without even trying to discuss more calmly. So don’t waste too much of your time either(, but please don’t go there unless you intent to speak calmly).

Thanks for reading :) !

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    19 days ago

    Il y a quand même un comble quand on vient défédérer une instance “autoritaire” et se dire non-autoritaire. C’est pas autoritaire de forcer la déféd ? Ce n’est pas intolérant d’empêcher les gens de parler entre eux ?

    Comme quoi le gauchisme transcende les pays et les moeurs pour s’installer dans toutes les voies, le chien galeux qui marche aux côtés de Lénine à ses dépends, comme dans le poème.

    Je tiens quand même à rappeler que la politique de sinicisation au Xinjiang est reconnue par le gouvernement Chinois, que ce soit culturellement ou via l’import de colons Hans.

    Ah bon depuis quand ?

    Pendant ce temps nous on continue de fédérer avec toutes les “vraies” instances lemmy, c’est elles qui défédèrent.

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      19 days ago

      Il y a quand même un comble quand on vient défédérer une instance “autoritaire” et se dire non-autoritaire. C’est pas autoritaire de forcer la déféd ? Ce n’est pas intolérant d’empêcher les gens de parler entre eux ?

      Fun fact, c’est hexbear qui défédère, pendant que nous on a juste une consultation pour le moment, hein. Consultation qui implique les membres de l’instance, donc par définition c’est pas autoritaire non plus.

      Fais un minimum d’effort d’honnêteté intellectuelle stp.

      Comme quoi le gauchisme transcende les pays et les moeurs pour s’installer dans toutes les voies, le chien galeux qui marche aux côtés de Lénine à ses dépends, comme dans le poème.

      sa fé réfléchir

      Ah bon depuis quand ?

      Jsp, je vais pas faire un cours d’histoire mais si on cible que la Chine contemporaine, je dirais depuis Ma Fuxiang, mais ça s’inscrit dans la politique impériale de la dynastie Qing, où l’envoi de colons Han dans des territoires d’importance stratégique était la norme.

      Politique toujours en cours dans plus ou moins tous les territoires chinois, notamment au Xinjiang et depuis un peu plus récemment, Hong-Kong. Pour Xinjiang t’as eu plusieurs versions de réglementations locales dans les années 80 et 90, et la dernière mouture, centrale, elle, est connue chez nous comme la “Stike Hard Against Violent Terrorism” de 2014, qui continue la même chose en un peu plus rapide, mais a “juste” ajouté les fameux camps.

      C’est tellement vieux et assumé que google sinisation ou sinicization te donnera plus ou moins toutes les pistes pour te renseigner si t’en as vraiment quelque chose à faire. C’est une conséquence direct du fonctionnement clanique et dynastique de la Chine impériale depuis des millénaires.

      Pendant ce temps nous on continue de fédérer avec toutes les “vraies” instances lemmy, c’est elles qui défédèrent.

      Je comprend pas, personne veut parler avec moi alors que moi j’ai pas de problème pour parler avec eux. Ça doit être le monde entier le problème.

      • 🏳️‍⚧️ 新星 [she/they]
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        Fun fact, c’est hexbear qui défédère … Fais un minimum d’effort d’honnêteté intellectuelle

        Hexbear still federates with you as everyone can see at https://hexbear.net/instances, and you still federate with Hexbear as everyone can see at https://jlai.lu/instances. We’d appreciate it if you represent the facts accurately before accusing us of intellectual dishonesty. (As an aside, if I have somehow erred in checking this, please feel free to correct me.)

        Je comprend pas, personne veut parler avec moi alors que moi j’ai pas de problème pour parler avec eux. Ça doit être le monde entier le problème.

        Did we ever say it’s the whole world? There are still mainstream instances that continue to federate with us.

        If some of the instances believe that our explicit Marxist viewpoint is too extreme for them (and this has not come without dissent from their userbase, such as with lemmy.world defederation), then it actually is their problem.

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          18 days ago

          Hexbear still federates with you as everyone can see at https://hexbear.net/instances, and you still federate with Hexbear as everyone can see at https://jlai.lu/instances.

          Hexbear did defederate by removing us from the allowed instances, which break federation of at least the comments.

          You can see the difference in content from https://jlai.lu/post/12056905?scrollToComments=true and https://hexbear.net/post/3822135

          No jlai.lu user can comment on hexbear since they soft defederated and I guess the opposite is true.

          We’d appreciate it if you represent the facts accurately before accusing us of intellectual dishonesty.

          I mean, see what I’m talking about when I’m speaking about projection?

          If some of the instances believe that our explicit Marxist viewpoint is too extreme for them

          Please stop using this word when not an ounce of materialist analysis is present in your political reflection.

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            Hexbear did defederate by removing us from the allowed instances

            My apologies, thank you for the correction. I confused the linked and allowed instances lists. (It’s worth noting that Lemmygrad only has a linked list and not an explicit allow list.) You’re still on their linked list.

            I will leave my comment above as it was when you responded so that others may see the error.

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          18 days ago

          Bah fallait pas poser de questions alors frérot si tu voulais pas de réponse.

          J’sais bien que tu t’en bas les couilles en vrai et que ton gauchisme est performatif mais que t’es grosso modo un mec un contrarien edgy qui est né trop tard pour être un nazi sur 4chan.

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            18 days ago

            Mais de quoi tu parles bouffon 😂 ou est ce que je t’ai posé une question ou donné l’impression que j’avais envie taper la discut avec toi ? Tu fais ça dans la rue aussi, venir gueuler sur des gens qui parlent entre eux et les insulter de nulle part ? Tu es pathétique. Aucune plus-value.