Hi,

jlai.lu is the french instance of Lemmy, some user posted this thread 16 days ago : https://jlai.lu/post/11504685, and a flamewar ensued between hexbear and the french, e.g. between happybadger and their administrator here.

Since they didn’t really have any reason to defederate initially, they’re now adamant that they should defederate only because of this discussion, since it proved that every Hexbear&Lemmygrad user is agressive(, as if jlai.lu users weren’t agressive in this discussion as well).
I still find hard to believe that they could defederate on such weak basis, and it does feel like a convenient excuse, but that’s what they’re saying, ask them for confirmation if you don’t believe it either.

They also used a list of post found on /c/MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works as if it was representative, but it hardly counts as an argument, what a stupid situation…

They’ve now pinned this post for 12 days, and the defederation with both Hexbear and Lemmygrad seems unavoidable.
I’ve known this for more than a week but didn’t care that much, yet when talking with them, and especially @Camus here, they/he said that they/he would like to talk to you. @Camus is very patient/nice, and you can look at his number of comments/posts to gauge his influence, probably their most active user(, kind of a french ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆).
Well, to be more precise, he informally asked for some excuses from Hexbear, but my post here didn’t reach them, perhaps because of “r*tard” in my username(, r*tardataire designate someone who’s late in french).
However, more than excuses in the name of others, you only have to show him that we’re not aggressive(, if you have some time, it won’t change much in the end), something very easy/natural to prove for >90% of Hexbear users(, and perhaps >70-80% of Lemmygrad 🙂, it does feel a bit more bitter/serious here, not a criticism).

They have some communities that aren’t that far apart from what could be found on Lemmygrad or Hexbear b.t.w., so it can’t really be said that they’d reject us solely based on terrorism apologia, supporting Stalin, etc.(, even if their “leftist” admin is against socialist countries because our capitalists said that they’re authoritarian).
Staying federated with a french instance would be useless for 99% of Hexbear and Lemmygrad, so if you intervene it’d mostly be on the behalf of current/future french users(, it can be nice sometimes to speak your native language without using an alt account), and perhaps also for Lemmygrad and Hexbear’s reputation on jlai.lu.
If you’re french, and/or simply nice, and want a chat with them, feel free to do so directly under the post or with @Camus.
(Kinda worth mentionning in passing that, currently, their top two posts of all time sorted by the most comments are the ones cited above about this defederation)

Also, keep in mind that this defederation is unavoidable though, if it doesn’t happen now it’ll be next year or the year after. As you know, reddit banned ChapoTrapHouse, GenZedong, etc., and we were quickly banned from lemmy.world and others, so we’ll one day be banned from other “centrist” instances such as the french one. Just like we’d also be banned/censored by our governement if our numbers grow enough to disturb/‘be a threat’.
Furthermore, Hexbear took action, and decided to defederate first without even trying to discuss more calmly. So don’t waste too much of your time either(, but please don’t go there unless you intent to speak calmly).

Thanks for reading :) !

  • ☭ Comrade Pup Ivy 🇨🇺
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    23 days ago

    Interesting that we where suposed to “send a delegation” normaly that requires notice, and I do not remember any notice being given, aswell as you could just talk to the admins. This feels super self important, when from what I saw it was a few people saying mostly incorrect things… someone from hex pointing out that the ring leader was a nazi sympithiser, and then a few going over to defend themselves.

    I am sure if you asked jlailu they would say they are being nutral, we are outside of the status quo and farther from it than nazis, so as they keep putting it they see us as “Dangerous extremests” I do not think we are but that is the preseption that is going to get sturred up, agian communism is either aganst there intrests or the intrests EVERYONE is telling them they totaly have, so agian we are scary.

    Lemmy already allows user choice to defederate or not, and it does not need to be instance wide, that is not good enough because some of our ideas can get to some people, it needs to be everyone who cannot see it

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      23 days ago

      I entirely agree with everything you just wrote, and he justified why he said the o.p. was a fascist, it was a critic mostly based on his anti-communist methods. While searching for his comment i found another explanation here :

      They’re playing the victims as @poo_22 said, and like you i find hard to believe that anyone can defederate on such idiotic basis, i’ve not much to add.

      Feels like snitching, but here’s a partial list of the problematic comments : https://jlai.lu/comment/10687299. The flames were clearly fueled by them as well though, everyone can confirm it by reading the comments, and i still find hard to agree that these comments should be the object of debate, but i should have mentioned it in the selftext anyway.

      Lemmy already allows user choice to defederate or not

      Yeah they can block a.n instance(/community/user/…), absolutely, but a.f.a.i.k. they can’t counter the defederation chosen by their instance though(, except by creating an alt)