What the fuck level of cult of personality even is this? They’re writing fan fic about their fucking overlords. What the fuck I cannot emphasize enough what the fuck?

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    Unironically this is the end result of Hamilton and West Wing and hell even fucking School House Rock (for all the 30 something US Americans). This is real “end of history” thinking. Democracy is the final form, this is it, the problem is that the wrong people keep getting voted in, bad people, because “oh Republicans are stupid” or “oh Russia Boris what time is it in Moscow” or “oh leftists let Trump win”. We just need real people of character to get in there and do politics and reach across the aisle and just have heart to heart talks with fascists and get things done FOR AMERICA because America is perfect! We just keep electing the wrong people but don’t worry we’ll fix it

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        eh, i’m in my 30s and they still showed it when i was in elementary school

        feels like the sort of thing that doesn’t really need too much updating since it’s meant to teach literal children the absolute basics

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          Damn, they kept it up that long? I’m Canadian so maybe that’s why, but it for sure aired on our TV in the 70s cause my dad and uncles are very familiar and have various long running verbal memes about it and this was in the 3 channel days so there was no getting American stations. Probably why it didn’t keep airing here, but now that I think about it, it’s weird we had it at all.

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            they did! wheeled out the tv cart and everything.

            I’m Canadian

            that does make this all a lot stranger. i never even entertained the thought that it would be played as a regular program on tv, let alone in a different country with an entirely different system of governance. it always had such “made for a specific audience to watch on tape” vibes.

            but yeah i wish i knew people younger than me who grew up in the same area, i’d be curious when/if it stopped being a thing.

            also i just checked the wiki and apparently it ran for 7 seasons. the only parts i recognize are apparently from the third season: “To coincide with the upcoming United States Bicentennial, a third season, America Rock, airing in 1975 and 1976, had music videos covering the structure of the United States government (such as “I’m Just a Bill”) along with important moments in American history (examples include “The Preamble” and “Mother Necessity”).” i genuinely thought it was a one-shot special or smth, like a PSA. at least now its reach makes a little more sense? still fucking weird though

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                yup that’s correct; wiki says it was designed to be put between programs during saturday morning cartoons

                i had just never encountered it on the air, only in vhs format. apparently they put more of this shit in 2009(!!!) but it was a reunion style thing.

                the-more-you-know

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      School hourse rock on language and maths; awesome, pure, wonderful

      School house rock on politics; ansolute zero pure evil doctrinal propaganda trhat has done irrepairable harm to the world.

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    I’ve said it before. Liberals are narrativists. Everything must be a story for them, and if it’s all going wrong? Well that’s where the hero doubles down.

    We saw this with Biden. First he was the stoic, refusing to move when all around him was chaos. Then when he stepped down the story changed, he became a saintly martyr.

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      I think this is just all Amerifat political discourse, our people think real life works the way movies do, which is why while Trump was flopping in office they had to make up that he was doing 4D chess or hiding his power, as if things were going to turn out like a climax in a double cross heist film.

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        Or even more sinister, they do the opposite and venerate fiction like Dune, LotR and GoT as if it was real history, then use those ‘histories’ to base their opinions on.

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          Yep, you think their idea of a chosen one leader or shifting loyalties between camps are from the Bible or history, but their mental model is actually the plotline from some show or movie they watched while eating.

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          I personally became as liberal as they come after reading The Giver. I used this in conjunction with Narnia to synthesize Markism-Lenonism-Yoko Onoism.

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              I haven’t read that book in decades but I didn’t get that message from it. The message I thought I got was why suppressing messy feelings for the sake of conformity and “stability” was bad. What did I miss?

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                Oh the book is super anti-communist. The whole thing is basically “gommunism is going to tell everyone what to do, destroy the family unit, make fun illegal, and will practice eugenics.”

                9-year old me thought all that sounded pretty good if we just didn’t do the eugenics part. I don’t think that’s what my 4th. grade teacher was hoping I’d get out of it lmao

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    This shit is why liberals cannot and will not ever take fascism seriously

    They cannot even comprehend the possibility that someone might be evil for ideological reasons, and is in fact enthusiastically evil. For them, people who are evil must be evil because something bad happened to them in their past and they just didn’t get a hug

    If true fascism ever came, idiots like this would probably still try to act like it’s an episode of the West Wing and psychoanalyze the fascist death squads leading them to the wall. It’s infuriating how little they can take this shit seriously

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      I find liberals generally chalk up conservatism to ignorance. Liberals assume that conservatives are liberals in waiting who just need to be educated and given the right information.

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        A lot of us think most people are communists in waiting but as people who actually believe in something we have seen just how powerful a nihilistic cultural identity that opposes communism is and how giving people the right information does nothing because they have a lifetime trained immune response to these specific ideas. It’s infuriating that liberals think their tepid “information” and a pity hug would effortlessly bring conservatives to their values neutral Jesus

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    Because they’re removed enough to where politics is, as others have said, a show. It’s Steven Universe. It’s West Wing. It’s Harry Potter. They want all their favorite characters, good and evil, to have a showdown or hug it out or otherwise resolve their conflicts so Harry can smile as he sends his kids to Hogwarts and know that all is now well.

    I imagine this person thinks of Trump as a Palpatine sort of figure of pure evil, corrupting young and misguided Vance, who can still be redeemed and returned to the good, liberal light at the end of Act III.

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      putting Steven universe in the same message as Harry Potter and west wing is horrific, did the show getting cut short really fuck up people’s reading of it that much? the authors apparently Word of God said that the genocidal dictators were never meant to be “forgiven”

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        The writing was fucked up, not the reading. It’s good, but the last portion of the series dropped the ball with the theme.

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            It was pretty rushed and so they didn’t really have the diamonds take responsibility for the lives they destroyed for their empire. It was more focused on the family issues.

            The diamonds weren’t forgiven so much as had their records expunged so they could sing songs for the movie.

            It was never realistic, but there was a distinct lack of average gems confronting the diamonds for their actions. The diamonds work to restore damage, but they can only do so much given the massive violence inflicted with thousands of years of imperialism on a galactic scale.

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        Let that be. Alesson t you - have your characters shoot the bad guy in the head and watch him die on screen so no one libs out about your show.

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    these are the people who take their adult emotional development cues from the inside out movies

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    Calves cramping. Mommy Kamala and Daddy Biden coming over for dinner. Sageing the oval office with Michelle Obama and HRC. The list of fan fiction knows no bounds for these deranged lunatics.

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    Unironically Steven-Universe-brained.

    They fully swallowed the lie chuds have been using since gamergate “stop swearing revenge on me and then promise you’ll forgive me. I’ll turn good after you enter this one-sided friendship with me, I promise!”

    We are no one’s unpaid therapist. Forgiveness is earned, not owed.

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    There are 2 wolves within the Democratic party

    two-wolves-1 Wow, Vance is so weird… where did all these reactionary politics come from? It’s totally unlike the United States to have high-level politicians that are so fascist, very weird. And I am normal btw

    Vance just needs a hug. The 2 parties just need to come together and forgive each other and we can get this country back on track :) two-wolves-2

    Both wolves cannot see the fascist bonk that is about to hit them