• comrade-bear
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    2 months ago

    Don’t toy with my feelings comrade, don’t make me try to imagine such glorious possibility, just for me to see the world as it is

  • SadArtemis🏳️‍⚧️
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    If the USA didn’t exist- maybe there would be no “complete genocide” settler-colonial projects, which all were modeled after the successes of the AmeriKKKan experiment. Three continents’ worth of indigenous peoples might have survived in meaningful demographic numbers.

    Alongside these countless holocausts against indigenous peoples in the Americas and Australia, the inspiration for similar attempts- in parts of Africa, Asia, and eventually even in Europe with the Nazi Lebensraum and “Final Solution”- would not have existed, and it’s unlikely they would have been enacted in quite the same way if at all. There would likely be no genocide ongoing today in Palestine.

    Perhaps, there would also be no “continent-state,” sheltered by two oceans and with weak (due to AmeriKKKan expansion) neighbors, that would become the stronghold of imperialism and the forefront of capitalism, rising up to counter anti-imperialist and socialist movements across the world. The most warlike, barbaric, genocidal, and exploitative nation in all of human history so far would not exist; its system of “forever wars” would likely not exist; the countless causes of terrorism, religious extremism, fascism, tribalism, drug cartels and other organized crime that it has supported across the globe would not exist in anywhere near the same capacity; also, its empire of lies would not exist, and it’s likely that there would not be anything quite comparable to the global ubiquitousness of AmeriKKKan culture as a result (though some other imperialist variants would exist).

    The greatest blight in human history as I see it- perhaps tied with the Reconquista or the “discovery” of the Americas by the most diseased, warlike, intolerant ass-end of Eurasia (western Europe)- is the formation of the USA. No matter where world history might have gone without it, it would have been preferable to the genocide-reich AmeriKKKa, the true genocide-reich and inspiration for all other explicitly genocidal settler-colonial projects.

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      2 months ago

      What do you think the world would be like if the Reconquista never happened?

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        I’ve been meeting some of my siblings (some of them for the first time in… 6-7 years?) so I didn’t get to replying to your comment till now.

        In regards to the Reconquista, though- I think there’s considerable reason to believe that without it and the following inquisitions, whatever “first” (not actually first) sustained interactions the indigenous peoples of the Americas, and the Canary Islands (Guanche) would have had with the “old world,” would have been meaningfully different, than the interactions as they occurred in our history (both of which led to genocides), where perhaps (likely) the most intolerant, murderous lot of the already murderous west Europeans, with intolerant seething large fresh off the driving out of the Iberian Muslims and Jews, saw predictable barbarism employed in their interactions with “newfound” foreign cultures. Look at the first interactions with the Taino (indigenous peoples of the Caribbean), the Aztecs and Maya, and the Inca, and the sheer level of adventurism and unprovoked cartoonish violence and treachery, spitting in the face of much if not all historical precedents prior regarding diplomacy is shocking; in many ways, Colombus and the conquistadors strike me as beyond typical human behavior (though they set the stage for later European behavior, inspired by their successes) and to the level of genuine savagery and depravity that may as well have been fitting of rabid dogs.

        Without the first sustained interactions being those of Colombus and the conquistadors- I think whatever European advance into the Americas (if there were anything quite comparable to what occurred in our history) would have been greatly toned down, from what did happen in our history. And without barbarian Europeans scouring the Americas looking to make it rich as the next conquistadors- I suspect that what interactions would have occurred, would have happened at such a pace where the indigenous peoples had time to recover from disease, rather than face continuous genocide and disease combined, and there would also have been a likely mestizo/metis admixture at least across the eastern coasts of the Americas, but even that would have been at a far slower pace, and less likely (perhaps even unlikely overall) to have resulted in the “total genocide/replacement” settler-strategies of the Anglo-American colonialists, which naturally only made everything even worse yet still.

        And without the riches of the Americas being stolen by Europeans (and without all that land being stolen as well), the snowballing effect Europe experienced in contrast to the rest of the world- where much of Spanish gold and silver, for instance, was splurged on wars and military developments, while northern Europe profited and set the stages for its early industrialization and gunboat diplomacy- etc, etc… you get the gist.

        Also, without Portugal, the European arrival into the Indian ocean would likely also have been very different; there’s that, too, I could go into a spiel in that regard but needless to say, a lot of evil was done there by the Portuguese, which set the stage for later successive and worsening evils by the Brits, etc.

        Needless to say, I think that without the Reconquista, our world would have been far, far better off. Perhaps European imperialism would even have never occurred, at least not as quite the same aberration of global conquests and continent-scouring genocides. Perhaps three continents, would still remain primarily populated by indigenous peoples (North and South America, and Australia). Perhaps (probably) no trans-Atlantic slave trade would have occurred, and eventual Sub-Saharan interactions with Europeans would have been on more amicable terms. Probably, western Europe (and those settler-states derived from western Europe- though such states would likely not exist, certainly not in the same scale if at all) would never have gotten too big for its britches, with such advantages developing over older and- frankly, historically more advanced and greater civilizations in every aspect, such as those of the Middle East and North Africa and the Islamic world, South Asia, East Asia, southeast Asia, east Africa, and even eastern Europe.