• lorty
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    Tbh I was leaning more towards the “hospital” housing soldiers, which is something the ukrainians like doing.

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      Maybe they have before, but I don’t see any evidence of that in this case. Russia is making no claim that it was a military target and are strongly denying the claims made by the Kiev regime. Evidence seems to confirm what Russia is saying.

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    Crazy suggestion, but how about we don’t do the Israeli “this blown up hospital is definitely not what it looks like” thing? The rocket used was the Russian-made Kh-101.

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      Except all the videos, even the video CNN and every western media is showing is clearly a NASAM that misfired. It isn’t the first time a Ukrainian patriot or NASAM failed and hit the ground. Also, if it were a kh-101 the damage would be much larger. Interesting this story is being put out right before the NATO summit/fundraiser happens. But if you feel compelled to believe war propaganda the US empire, NATO and a literal neo-nazi regime puts out, that says a lot about you. BTW the same media are ignoring all the actual hospital bombings in Gaza, but sure… “this time amerikkka is telling the truth.”

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        My brother in christ, what is this reactionary leftism. NATO bad, so every single thing they report is a lie and propaganda actually, even when it comes from “your side”? Without so much as to bother to look at the pictures, because they are actually photoshop and ai?

        You’re looking at a piece of an engine 50cm wide and confidently go “actually this is clearly from a rocket that’s 15cm in diameter”. Like fuck, man, why is it the same shit on both sides.

        Kh-101

        Kh-101

        Dimensions

        Kh-101 dimensions

        Sidewinder AIM-9

        Sidewinder AIM-9

        Dimensions

        Sidewinder dimensions

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          You are comparing it to an AIM-9, NASAM uses AIM-120. But the diameter compared to those pictures still is an issue.

          More importantly: There’s still the problem with blast power. This incident destroyed (not even completely) a relatively small side building of the hospital. If it was a regular Kh-101 the damage would be significantly larger. The updated one even more so (double the warhead, reducing range).

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          It was not a Kh-101. The dimensions, the blast power and the damage do not check out, not to mention the angle of attack before the impact and the typical whistling sound they make in flight. Also, you should be comparing to NASAMS AMRAAM (AIM-120 and its modifications), not this.

          This is not the first time this sort of thing happened, by the way.. This time it’s upcoming NATO summit, that was before Blinken’s visit afaik. And it’s no coincidence that Radio Liberty and all Western propaganda outlets decried in unison right after the attack in a coordinated manner, taking Ukraine’s word as gospel. Palestine does not have the same privilege, mind you.

          Also, thank you for sharing photos provided by Ukraine, who is definitely not known for staging photo-ops to excuse torpedoing the Istanbul peace treaty and condemning its people to a meat grinder… Ahem Bucha ahem…

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      Ukronazi logo in pictures automatically makes them ineligible as evidence.

      Also, your comparison of Russia to Israel is borderline genocide denial. Israel targets hospitals on purpose. Russia does not. If Russia wanted to target hospitals you would know it. Have you seen the accuracy of the grouping of Russia’s missiles in this strike on the actual target? There is no way a missile missed by that much, and there is no reason why they would waste an expensive missile to purposely strike a target with zero military value.

      Also Ukraine has a ton of precedent hitting their own buildings with AD and blaming Russia.

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          1. Says who? 2) Because of whose rocket?

          Not one person here is happy about dead or wounded civilians, if that’s what this argument is about. It’s interesting, though, how multiple people pointed out numerous discrepancies with this story, and yet you double down with emotional stuff.