I feel like the sex trade issue is one of the most divisive issues out there. I find people so candidly talking about it, from jokes about pimping people out being regular, to others admitting that they distribute pornogrophy on multiple platforms as a hobby. I dont remember people being routinely candid about this until the past year or so. I mean that could be prosecuted in some countries I think. Maybe im unlucky?

I feel like questioning when it comes up it is as divisive as conversations about China/Russia human rights, or religion. And I hear this from anyone, from my coworkers who are entreched in the gig economy to gender studies phd students in the ivory tower. There is no greater can of worms than saying maybe distributing porn is a net loss for humanity, or paying for porn doesn’t make things more ethical, yet it seems so painfully obvious to me that it would not even need to be said.

I get that this is mostly just the liberal take im seeing its just strange that there is such a lively consensus. People are so bold and just assume others believe the same as them. And the irony is unbearable, a fun time of dunking on libertarians routinely preceeds glorifying the sex trade. Do other people see this where they live or is it just me? I feel like my partner and I, and a few maoists I know are the only ones I know that are sex trade abolitionists.

  • Ottar
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    • DankZedong A
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      2 years ago

      Mom, the commies are doing that wall of text thing again

    • ⚧️TheConquestOfBed♀️
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      2 years ago

      I think queer people might have a weird relationship with this topic because we’ve been dependent on sex work to simply be allowed to exist for…a really long time. Taking it away almost feels like chopping down your safety net for when discriminatory hiring prevents you from getting a “real” job. There was a time when I would’ve fought tooth-and-nail to be allowed to do sex work because I was scared to death of ending up homeless. It would’ve felt like taking away my right to eat and have a roof over my head.

      But that is kinda the central point of what we’re discussing. I think it’s fine as a ‘hobby’, but being able to have a hobby like that in the first place already connotes a certain level of privilege. When it comes from a place of necessity, I think we should help people get out without condemning them (like your friend didn’t do it forever, she worked long enough to get out).

      But imo straight/cis dudes don’t really seem to have the…finesse to talk about this sort of thing in a way that doesn’t sound like conservative moralizing. They go off on hate the sin love the sinner tangents but go full paternalistic when outlining their justifications. And tbh it rubs me the wrong way like anti-queer patsocs just being “concerned” about the direction society is going. And talking about women and queer people being “duped” into it like we’re children, it’s just so fucking demeaning. Like, omg, she was too much of a bimbo to realize that getting naked for people might be invasive.

      I’d prefer if the conversation were spearheaded by former sexworkers, women, and queer people (basically anyone with skin in the game) rather than observers who are using the rhetoric to feel morally superior to libs. I appreciate the links to actual SW blogs in this thread, even, but at this point I don’t even want to talk to men about it because it’s exhausting.

    • CountryBreakfastOP
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      2 years ago

      Id say onlyfans serves is a massive grooming/pimping service that puts people in danger of being trafficked. It is much more than labor exploration. It creates a dependcy and it has gravity to it, especially if employers wont hire them after they’ve done porn. It sucks people in. I dont see how it is harmless enough to be left standing, even as a coop. I dont see how it’s entirely different from the porn industry. My guts tells me it just seems like a commercial to say so, just a slick corporate profile. Obviously im happy to listen more on this issue.

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    • CountryBreakfastOP
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      2 years ago

      Its always decided for women what they should be doing and that energy (maybe it’s just how it’s presented and I’m overreacting) seems very “men will decide for women what women do again” and it always feels steeped in trad attitudes to women and relationships and i find that sus tbf, can we include them in these chats?

      All of my views on this topic come from women. My opposition to onlyfans or any other techno pimping & grooming service comes from women that have patiently explained to me why its not ok for men to encourage/support women putting their bodies on the market. So in terms of my perspective, you are speaking through me and to a strawman.