- cross-posted to:
- anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com
- cross-posted to:
- anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Turns out the anarchists have a piece of theory larger than Capital. I haven’t seen any of my comrades talk about this in any community. The writer has read Marx, Engels, and Lenin.
Wasn’t sure whether to post it in Shit Ultras Say or Leftist Infighting but I’ll post it here first. Section H is where it attempts to criticize us.
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This is because many Marxists reject the Chinese, Cuban and other revolutions as being infected from the start by Stalinism.
What Marxists reject the Chinese or Cuban revolutions?
As noted, two main wings of the revolutionary socialist movement, anarchism and Marxism
Lmao, even the social Democrats have a bigger claim to being a “main wing” of the socialist movement than anarchists. At least they accomplished something back in the 50s and 60s.
as more and more people recognise the fundamentally anti-socialist nature of the Russian “experiment” and the politics that inspired it. With this re-evaluation of socialism and the Soviet Union, more and more people are rejecting Marxism and embracing libertarian socialism
What the hell are the anarchists smoking? The soviet revolution has been dragged through the mud since the day it began. In fact, it is only now that interest in the soviet union as a legitimate form of socialism has revived.
This analysis also rewrites history as the bulk of the Marxist movement supported their respective states during the conflict
It doesn’t matter how many opportunists or spliter cells supported their states during the war when by far the most dominant and famous faction (the bolshieviks) opposed it and got their way.
The rise of Marxism, in the form of social-democracy, ended as Bakunin predicted, with the corruption of socialism in the quagmire of electioneering and statism
Why do I even bother?
The aim of that [russian] revolution was to create a free, democratic, classless society of equals
No it was not. Anarchists need to stop projecting their own goals onto us.
The aim of the Russian, Chinese, Cuban and basically other marxist revolutions has always been to end imperialism, landlordism, private surplus extraction. To modernise society and vastly improve living standards. In these respects, the marxist revolutions succeed more than any other in all of human history.
The creation of a classless society is only a far future goal. This much is literally Marxism 101 and even non-soxialists know this. When it comes to building democracy, most marxist movements have achieved somewhat underwhelming results, but some like Cuba have outstanding democratic systems.
Some Marxists will dismiss our arguments, and anarchism, out of hand. This is because anarchism has not lead a “successful” revolution while Marxism has.
For some Marxists, practice determines validity.
Equally, the role of Marxism in the labour movement has also been less than successful.
The harsh fact that the Russian, Chinese, and Cuban ‘revolutions’ were massive counterrevolutions that blight our entire century.
Clearly, a key myth of Marxism is the idea that it has been a successful movement. In reality, its failures have been consistent and devastating so suggesting it is time to re-evaluate the whole ideology and embrace a revolutionary theory like anarchism.
I don’t even know what to say. I just hope that nobody has ever printed this, trees deserve better.
Every revolutionary gain, from increased life expectancy, to communal childcare and healthcare, elimination of poverty, defeat of nazi germany / the KMT / japanese fascism, counts for nothing to anarchists. How many batallions did the anarchists field against those powers? How many millions of people did they feed?
We’ve had > 200 years to test which theory gives the best results, and guess what, anarchism proved to be worthless. It should be studied only as a historical curiosity, like Blanquism or Owenism.
Every revolutionary gain, from increased life expectancy, to communal childcare and healthcare, elimination of poverty, defeat of nazi germany / the KMT / japanese fascism, counts for nothing to anarchists.
99% of online anarchism is from the west, where the anarchists don’t know or don’t care about these gains. The 3rd world “anarchists” (oftentimes the label is applied by outsiders seeking to make anarchism look more widespread than it actually is) almost never repudiate the Russian or Chinese or Cuban revolutions.
Nice to see you here, you were actually the person I was going to ask whether or not this should go in Shit Ultras Say.
No probs! Either one works. The Shit X Say communities are more for cringe content, so people can block them, while this one is about getting opinions and such.
To be fair it was published on April 1st,
So it probably is a gag gift to entertain anyone that isn’t anarchist.
LOL nice find.
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Why do i sense glowing?
What do you mean?
EDIT: I’m trying to find definitions of “glowing”, one suggests I’m an infiltrator trying to cause drama. All I wanted were people’s thoughts on this thing and that’s what I got.
Another definition suggests I’m trying to anger the community. If I caused mental strain, I’m sorry.
I am talking abt the anarchist FAQ. You’re fine.
And yeah, I smell feds.
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