Saying the quiet part out loud again. Forced relocation through either terror or expatriation is Ethnic Cleansing. Ethnic Cleansing may fall under the Genocide Convention.
WTF?
The primary genocide requirement is intent. Instead of throwing “maybes” around, you should spend a minute or two to read the convention in full instead of polluting the discourse.
Especially now that the intent is clearly stated by a government official.
We are there.
I will vote for Joe Biden if he publicly condemns Israel. From his lips. In an address to the nation.
I will not if he doesn’t.
Simple as that.
It’s a two party system. You vote Biden or get Trump. Trump has less problem with ethnic cleansing. If fact Trump is the kind that might try it in the US.
He already has plans for it, and using the military to do it. He has made it clear he plans to go full fascist right from day one if he were to win again. It’s his only way to not spend the rest of his life in prison (and he loves the idea of being a dictator).
I think if he tries that, the US breaks down as there is no way everyone will go with it.
Trump winning is a win for the enemies of the US and a win for the enemies of the wider free world.
Edit: Add a few words for clarity.
Trump winning is a win for the enemies of the US and the enemies of the wider free world.
really? sounds cool
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Honestly, I’m willing to let it happen just for the smug invertebrate liberal bootlickers to finally experience what liberals have been doing to every hood I lived in for the last 30 years. Fuck 'em, settler-descent crackers are not my countrymen, especially not if they think they’re going to cudgel me into supporting a genocidal segregationist that already ripped my family apart more than once from '94 onwards.
I wasn’t planning on voting for trump, but when you put it that way…
OK ok, I’ve edited to be more explicit. Though I’m sure everyone knew the interpretation I meant…
Then let me be more explicit, too: Amerika tore my family apart across four hundred years of its history, continues to tear my family apart, refuses to cede my people actual liberation and freedom, and still demands our support like they’re not STILL interring us in prison chattel slavery or extrajudicially executing us in the streets.
What the blue donkeyfuck makes you think I’m an ally of this shithole? What the blue donkeyfuck makes you think I’m going to exert ANY effort in perpetuating this monstrous, genocidal hell? Biden and Trump will do the same shit; so to me? The only way either of them can hang is with a rope.
That’s true but Biden winning accomplishes the same. No this isn’t a both sides argument, it’s understanding that many outside nations have invested in dividing our nation politically. The only win would be a 3rd party win and that won’t happen in my lifetime.
That is a both sides argument. Trump is a new level of bad. If you want to have any chance of a future with a better political system, you want to keep Trump out. If you don’t vote Biden, you can’t complain if you get Trump.
Trump is only a “new level of bad” to liberals that weren’t paying attention before.
Do you promise?
Trump winning is a win for the enemies of the US and the enemies of the wider free world.
I can’t tell why, but the first three seconds of Harlem Shake keep playing in my head reading that quote. Couldn’t tell you why.
So Biden is allowed to do whatever he wants, we are obligated to vote for him, as long as he’s just a tiny bit less bad than trump would be?
Logically, yes, unless you come up with another option that realistically results in a better outcome. Nobody’s asking you to be happy about the shitty state of affairs.
I can’t wait for your bullshit system to fall. You deserve all of the coming agony.
That’s why the system has to change. Trump will change the system, but not the way you want at all.
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Ya, Independent, Green, Libertarian, Constitution.
Those parties don’t exist.
The genocidal fascist whose boots you’re licking told you so.
Well good luck with that. I hope you guys don’t vote in Trump again, for all our sake.
Well, good luck with that.
I hope your rhetoric doesn’t perpetuate the cycle of America lesser eviling it to Ultra Mega Hitler as POTUS.
Edit: To clarify, Trump is currently strangled by litigation diet coke button and removing a bike rack harmless loudmouth capable not Hitler with 60 percent of a country ready to fight him status.
Biden however has made the Democrat base support genocide.
What’s the point of living if I have to vote for genocide?
You think Trump is less pro-genocide? Until you can change the system, you end up choosing who you think is less genocidy.
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You misunderstand.
If my only choices are to vote for “genocide” and “more genocide”, why shouldn’t I cast a 9mm ballot into the roof of my mouth?
What does that achieve?
Well it’d have to be suitably public, but a suicide of a street vendor helped kick off the Arab Spring. Mohamed Bouazizi achieved a lot.
Besides that, if every vote I cast is a vote for genocide, then don’t I deserve to die? Have you listened to the interviews? Have you seen the bodies in the rubble? I’d rather kill myself than support that, and if everything I do supports genocide then I should kill myself. I deserve it.
No, it is you don’t understand. You have a “Trolley problem”. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem
You don’t have the options you want to have. I’m sorry, but you don’t. We have to deal with the world as it is to have any chance to make it as we want it.
So you’re saying in order to participate in the US electoral system you must make yourself responsible for some level of genocide? Contrary to lesser evil voters, you’re not responsible for other peoples votes, but you are responsible for yours. The fact that about 4 gerrymandered states determine the election is not my fault and doesn’t necessitate my participation in condoning any more genocide than I legally have to when I pay taxes.
If I throw myself under the trolley wheels I might derail it. Happened in Tunisia.
Trump isn’t winning the Republican primary.
Be certainly be good of Republicans come back from the edge. If the players are more balanced, the system can start to be adjusted to get away from being just Red vs Blue.
Idiotic reason to vote for Trump who is far worse toward Palestine.
Then the democratic party should make the most basic effort to condemn genocide. I wont vote for the support of genocide. It’s really not a high bar. It’s frankly pathetic that you are suggesting we have accept that. That makes you explicitly in support of the ethnic cleansing of gaza and the people of Palestine. You are evil.
I’m evil? Strong language for someone suggesting Trump is a worse alternative than Biden.
You are evil and acting in bad faith. It’s hard to imagine how you think wanting a president who will condemn genocide means supporting trump. You don’t, you want to continue the dishonest dialog that the only discourse is we must accept the democratic party as is or else. What it is a threat and acting in bad faith.
In the US no vote is a republican vote. I know you don’t like to hear it but its the way it is. The fewer people that vote the higher their chances go up.
Then the democratic party should make the most minimal effort to win by standing against genocide.
No offense, but I really hope you are young and that’s the reason you are this naive. The next president is going to be either a democrat or a republican. Denying that reality so you can feel better about yourself is doing the people of Gaza no favors. You have no power of the situation and especially if you are in a swing state, the only thing you can do to help them is to keep the republicans out of the white house.
I actually understand your thought process, I used to be the same way. I wish third parties were viable too and I wish we had better options, but right now, the best chance you personally can give Gaza is voting Democrat.
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Stop doing that you insufferable pea-brained dolt.
Not voting for Biden doesn’t mean I’m voting for Trump.
Idiots like you sit there like your vote is a party popper you MUST use to show if your streamers and confetti are blue or red.
I am disgusted with the options I am presented with. I get no streamers or confetti…
Unless Biden condemns the Israeli genocide of Palestine and champions imposing massive embargoes on Israel while fully ceasing any funding in full.
Then I might believe he (and the DNC) are humbling WAY the fuck up, listening to their constituents, and correcting course is the SMALLEST of ways.
I ask you, if there is one party that tries you stop you from voting in any way they can, doesn’t you not voting play into their hand?
Just stop supporting genocide; this isn’t hard.
Stop supporting genocide, cracker
Refusing to vote for Evil, any Evil, is a pretty straightforward moral position to take.
Meanwhile your voting choice requires complex mental gymnastics to justify, which is quite an indication that you’re trying to come up with excuses for yourself for doing what you do not feel is the morally right thing to do.
I vote for anyone but Biden, or even a no vote, is a vote for Trump.
If you think Palestine is in bad shape under Biden, try to imagine how much worse it’d be with Trump.
The only way to get Democrat candidates on the left is to crush the right wing so that the Overton window moves.
Rewarding parties for doing nothing is good democracy actually 🤓 /s
If America were a functional democracy the Democrats would actually court voters with real solutions to real problems. That’s not their goal. Let’s not forget that the country was founded as a rich boys club and the founding documents were designed to preserve it as such. That is still true to this day. You can’t pull the Democrats left because that’s not their fucking job
I vote for anyone but Biden, or even a no vote, is a vote for Trump.
First they think of not voting. That’s one vote for Trump.
Then they decide to vote for Trump. That’s two votes for Trump!
By this logic, every dollar you don’t donate to Biden is a dollar donated to Trump.
Stop supporting genocide, cracker
You are the uncle Tom piece of shit that has lead this country here.
I do not vote for Biden. I do not vote for Trump.
You can’t make me.
Your rhetoric is outdated, idiotic, and counter-productive.
One of those two will be president no matter what you do. They will then be in a position capable of inflicting great damage. Trump will use that position to hurt more people than Biden. The math here isn’t complicated, and it continually astounds me how many people on the left cannot actually solve the trolly problem when faced with it for real. It really shows which people are engaged in politics as a means to an end rather than as personal expression or a hobby.
Dont. Support. Genocidal. Fascists.
Stop supporting genocide, cracker
Nobody is going to make you vote one way or another, but please recognize the following:
The United States is currently a two party system. It sucks. We need to push for more ranked choice voting, as well as direct popular vote.
However, until we’re able to achieve something that makes this parties viable, we will continue to have issues with the right wing getting undue influence in our politics.
Vote with your heart, but make sure that you’re okay with another Trump presidency of you decide not to vote for Biden.
Keep in mind as you do so that more than one state had enough votes for Jill Stein that if they had gone to Hillary, Trump never would have become president.
We should have viable parties outside of the two not great to horrible parties we have now. But that’s simply not the way our government works as it stands now.
Last thing: you’ve become a single issue voter. This is the lefty equivalent of only caring about abortion and ignoring literally everything else. Politics is complicated, and I personally find single issue voters incredibly shortsighted and lazy.
Considering… considering… nope, wont support genocide.
Stop supporting genocide, cracker
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I don’t think any presidential candidate would do that, even if that’s how they really felt. It’d be political suicide.
You don’t think any candidate would condemn genocide. Condemning genocide as a US presidential candidate is suicide…
Isn’t that how fucked America is in a nutshell.
This is why I unironically believe Amerika as a nation, and as an identity, deserves to die. I finally figured out why Amerika won’t condemn Israel’s genocide, won’t condemn Nazism, will veto every attempt to do either-- it’s because these are the same kind of vile, murdering, thieving, and pillaging barbarian settlers as what we’re seeing in Occupied Palestine, and what we saw in Axis Germany. Only difference is Amerika completed both of its genocides in such a way that the survivors either won’t fight back anymore, or physically don’t have the numbers to meaningfully fight back anymore.
You think having a Republican president is going to improve the situation?
If I were in Nazi Germany and my choices were Hitler, a genocidal maniac or Himmler, a genocidal maniac, I would not vote for a genocidal maniac.
I don’t believe you would at all tbh.
Just another concern troll pretend you give a fuck.
Well, I certainly won’t regardless of if or how the DNC tries to backpedal. Him and his morally bankrupt party are genociders; that stain doesn’t scrub off.
So he wants to kill 90% of the populace in a geographical region.
How does anyone deny this is genocide?
I think their goal is to displace 90% into Egypt and kill the rest. Still genocide.
Where was it stated that the goal was to kill 90% of the population?
It is not possible to move 1.8 million people out of a region like Gaza without mass death. This is not some secret information that Israel doesn’t know. The state of Israel has demonstrated at every possible opportunity that at best it does not care and at worst that’s the goal.
It is not possible to move 1.8 million people out of a region like Gaza without mass death.
Ok, but that still doesn’t justify the specific claim that the guy in question here wants to kill 90% of the population.
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No shit. I read a portion of the transcribed interview where the finance minister was talking about this and what he was advocating was mass emigration. That’s also super shitty, but it’s not at all the same as murdering millions of people.
Forcibly deporting people is genocide
especially when it is not possible for them to emigrate. Forcing Gazans to emigrate to Egypt, when you are neither Gazans nor Egyptians is ridiculous at best. Next will be the Israeli governments saying “we took care of them for this long, now it is domeone else’s turn.”
So you’re saying the Trail of Tears was perfectly fine and not seen as Genocide? I think you’re wrong and a blind fool
You tell me. Did I say that it was perfectly fine?
It is essentially the same, it would result in the deaths of thousands. Even the Nazis tried to relocate Jewish people and realized it wasn’t feasible. The people advocating for relocation know this.
The “deaths of thousands” is the same as “murdering millions of people”? Seems like you’re addressing something other than what I said.
“What we do not understand is that while there were protests against Germany’s defensive action in this field, there was, on the other hand, no willingness to absorb the excess Jewish population emigrating from Germany.”
• Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Minister of propaganda.
“We won’t do genocide, but what about 90% genocide?”
95% tops!
Is it really genocide if there’s at least a few left?
Of course it is. There are still Armenians, German Jewish people, Rwandan Tutsis, Rohingya, and no one disputes that they were genocided.
We’re all being ironic, I think. In reality, if your goal is to make an ethnic group smaller so you don’t have to deal with them as much, that’s genocide, or at least ethnic cleansing. No specific number is required.
Also, FYI, Jews across continental Europe had a bad time. Anywhere the Nazis went genocide followed, so you don’t really need to specify German.
Ethnic cleansing is the forceable displacement of ethnic-group populations. Deliberately killing members of an ethnic group (or otherwise trying to destroy that group) is genocide, but unfortunately nations and news outlets are shy about using that word, so the overlap has led to confusion of the two terms.
FYI
Thanks, point worth making. My list wasn’t meant to be exhaustive. Jewish people had a bad time in that continent long before Nazis as well. Hell even some of the early Crusaders went and committed genocide against Jewish towns in the Rhineland Massacres of the 11th century.
I was just cherry-picking a few obvious genocides to illustrate my point, in case the person above was being serious.
I know it’s dark humor, and I kind of hate myself for even thinking this. But now I’m seeing a far side style comic with a group of soldiers standing around, arguing over not wanting to kill the last Palestinian, because that’s what makes it genocide.
Sometimes my sense of humour seems lost on some people. Maybe because I was raised on Far Side.
Yes, but then the countries of the world need to brutally stomp out the aggressor of the genocide, and need to forcibly give the victims of the genocide the plot of land they claim as their original home.
Yet again,
But remember, not a genocide.
What the fuck. Fucking sickos.
Goebbels really has some crazy ideas there
It looks like Zionists were taking notes during the Holocaust
“What we do not understand is that while there were protests against Germany’s defensive action in this field, there was, on the other hand, no willingness to absorb the excess Jewish population emigrating from Germany.”
• Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Minister of propaganda.
I wonder if he literally meant 100, not 100,000.
Well, it’s always nice when Israeli ministers by their own public words provide evidence of culpability for the case against Israel that just started in the International Court of Justice.
All of them there just to do menial labor for Israelis that move in and elsewhere. Just enough for housekeepers and their families.
ITT: genocidal crackers trying and failing to curry favor for their genocidal archsettler by invoking their personal boogeyman.
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Disclaimer: I’m Israeli. I know Israel is not handling this war remotely well, but it’s also not guilty of the extreme accusations the internet blames it for.
It is guilty of genocide, and this is not an internet accusation.
this is not a policy that Israel has.
Yes, it does. It has been stated numerous time, the plan is another Nakba.
To be honest I would argue the sentiment that this approach isn’t what most Israeli civilians envisioned for some years now, but seeing as how all actions taken by both IDF and Israeli government, I seriously doubt this guy is alone in his fascist thoughts when he bursts out these inhumane sentiments.
I would advise against defending these genocidal state apparatus, nor mixing the views of civilian population of Israel with these bloodthirsty colonialist monsters.
Israeli people are innocent in this conflict, as are Palestinian people. However, Palestinian people are too poor and oppressed from all sides to make a conscious decision to root out Hamas, so the part of responsibility that falls on them is hard to accomplish. Israeli people, on the other hand, still have enough faculties, although at the brink of destruction by the fear-mongering campaign of Bibi the Genocider, to carry out their part of the responsibility in forming peaceful living by dismantling their current terrorist and fascist government (at the elections at worst).
What I advise is don’t try push the blame under a rug by making scapegoats out of a few people while letting the rest ruin the last semblance of your democracy.
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Yeah, he should have kept a lid on it like everyone else at the Wannsee Conference.
Thanks. This kind of reality check is very necessary.
