Revolutionary politics has always been one of the pillars star trek stands on, so its been terrible to see how nutrek has gone full performative liberalism and commercialist and removed all the wholesome space communism.
Would you sayit have started before though? I am admittedly not too versed in Trek things, but it often feels that the dip towards the more liberal (and less socialist) takes began in post-TNG era, with Voyager and DS9.
Kira was great. She was my first real feminist influence as a young girl. I’d only ever seen your stereotypical female lead being someone’s lover or manic pixie side kick/ love interest. She was just herself and constantly pissed off (usually for valid reasons) but it’s not something you see in female leads, at least not in a substantial way.
Bit of a digression I know, sorry lol This thread just hit my nostalgia bell. I might need to watch DS9 again.
I love this!! haha Palestinian feminist revolutionary perfectly captures everything great about her.
That’s awesome to know I’ll download them tonight.
Fair enough. I was mostly thinking about all those bits, like Sisko nuking an entire planet just to prove he’s not bluffing, or “quark solving war with capitalism” - a clip that went suspiciously viral some years ago.
Sisko didn’t nuke a planet. He used a slow moving chemical weapon that made the planet uninhabitable by humans, but still habitable by cardassians. And he didn’t do it as a bluff, he did it to stop an actual genocide by the reactionary Michael edington. And it worked; he prevented a war. Sometimes, maintaining the peace requires using the stick instead of the carrot.
Revolutionary politics has always been one of the pillars star trek stands on, so its been terrible to see how nutrek has gone full performative liberalism and commercialist and removed all the wholesome space communism.
Space Communism was a core of Star Trek. No worries of such nonsense, just exploration and technological advancement.
Would you sayit have started before though? I am admittedly not too versed in Trek things, but it often feels that the dip towards the more liberal (and less socialist) takes began in post-TNG era, with Voyager and DS9.
Not really. DS9 has a plot thread where O’Brien inspires Rom (a member of a hyper-capitalist species) to form a union and go on strike.
How is DS9 in general (excluding the occasional obligatory terrible episodes)? I’ve been postponing it because it’s apparently very different to TNG
I’d say it’s the best trek of the Berman era. It has the strongest first season of any trek series.
OK, I’ll have to give it a try at some point. (I’ve only watched TNG, so I would be very surprised if DS9 managed to have a worse first season)
DS9 is the best trek imo, the characters are just as likable, and the plotlines and moral dilemmas are much more complex and satisfying than tng.
Sweet
Kira was great. She was my first real feminist influence as a young girl. I’d only ever seen your stereotypical female lead being someone’s lover or manic pixie side kick/ love interest. She was just herself and constantly pissed off (usually for valid reasons) but it’s not something you see in female leads, at least not in a substantial way. Bit of a digression I know, sorry lol This thread just hit my nostalgia bell. I might need to watch DS9 again.
I love Kira so much too. Always saw her as a feminist palestinian revolutionary. Just saw this one recently:
I’m gonna have to do a rewatch too, especially since some high res upscaled versions of DS9 are on torrents now.
I love this!! haha Palestinian feminist revolutionary perfectly captures everything great about her. That’s awesome to know I’ll download them tonight.
Fair enough. I was mostly thinking about all those bits, like Sisko nuking an entire planet just to prove he’s not bluffing, or “quark solving war with capitalism” - a clip that went suspiciously viral some years ago.
Sisko didn’t nuke a planet. He used a slow moving chemical weapon that made the planet uninhabitable by humans, but still habitable by cardassians. And he didn’t do it as a bluff, he did it to stop an actual genocide by the reactionary Michael edington. And it worked; he prevented a war. Sometimes, maintaining the peace requires using the stick instead of the carrot.