u/s1syphean - originally from r/GenZhou
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A foreword:

As /r/genzedong stands in the shadow of Reddit’s raised fist, our community faces tough choices about how to address the situation. Reddit is one of the most valuable resources we have; its large user base and integrated community allows for targeted outreach, education, and agitation. On the other hand, the ubiquity and popularity that Reddit currently enjoys is not evergreen. Reddit, as a noble house in our modern, digital feudalism, will eventually be exhausted by the broader contradiction of which it is a part: that between the masses of internet users and tech companies’ centralized, feudal control. This process is already underway, as seen by developments in Web 3.0 and federated forum structures like lemmy.ml.

Nevertheless, there is still much more runway for these contradictions to sharpen before the change becomes qualitative and we enter a new epoch of digitally represented commons. So, given our position at this stage in the contradiction, we must facilitate its resolution by establishing stable channels by which we can shepherd our comrades into decentralized communities like lemmygrad.ml. We must recognize both aspects and bridge them - investing in lemmygrad.ml at the same time that we maintain a focused yet sufficiently nebulous presence on Reddit that, at key moments and places, offers a path away from its feudal lands.

Freedom from the feudal structure also allows us to overcome the barrier between in-person organizing and digital organizing. While there is no replacement for concrete action inside a united party in the real world, it would be folly to neglect how the nature of the commons have shifted as our technology and society has developed. Federated forums are helpful infrastructure and may play a key role in developing scalable party communications and outreach.

Join us at lemmygrad.ml to help.

Discussion

Right now, the bulk of the activity on Lemmygrad is happening in one community: lemmygrad.ml/c/genzedong. This is expected and completely normal. We are in the immediate aftermath of a mass exodus away from one of the last large, explicit bastions of anti-imperialism and communism on Reddit, and in our haste to settle we have made and populated /c/genzedong, and, in doing so, recreated the home we were familiar with: an all-purpose hub designed to be a seat of ML engagement. However, while familiar, many unfavorable structural features forced upon us by merely existing on Reddit have carried over with us. We became desensitized to the less-than-ideal compromises we made to have a presence on Reddit, and, now that we have stepped outside into greener pastures, our eyes have not quite adjusted to the new opportunities to aid our cause. Let’s accelerate the acclimation!

TL;DR: We are no longer constrained from things as simple as outletting frustration by wishing death on Nazis to the more impactful, such as the freedom to actively organize and educate. There are myriad new ways we can better equip ourselves for the long fight with the tools and technology Lemmy’s federalized structure offers us. We should lean into these changes quickly.

To contribute to this process (which is happening and will continue to happen whether or not we expedite it), I will outline a niche of optimization yet unexplored:

Why Lemmygrad is more than a simple /r/genzedong replacement.

Lemmygrad is an instance of the Lemmy structure. Lemmy instances can be thought of as what subreddits would be if they were hosted on their own separate domain/websites. More accurately, you can also think of Lemmy instances as what Reddit would look like if you could just copy Reddit’s code, buy a domain, and make your own version of Reddit that you own and administrate, instead of some large company in San Fransisco that can delete you and your forum off of their site for stating that there was no massacre in Tiananmen Square. Consequently, we need to treat Lemmygrad as if we stumbled upon an unoccupied yet functional Reddit domain, with full subreddit capability.

We are no longer forced to view /c/genzedong as a catch-all forum for every possible ML post, as a de-facto standard-bearer and home for those posts that have no better place to be posted. As we grow, we should periodically fracture off posts by purpose into new, focused communities.

Among some already-implemented ideas to spark this transition:

What You Should Do Right Now

  • Join Lemmygrad if you haven’t already!
  • Browse through Lemmygrad’s ever-growing list of communities (subreddit equivalents) and subscribe to and engage with those that interest you.
  • Create your own communities to fill important niches we were prevented from imagining at Reddit.
  • Cross-post between communities to give posts in smaller, specified communities visibility in the most popular communities, like lemmygrad.ml/c/genzedong
  • Produce high quality content natively in Lemmygrad, then link to it on targeted Reddit subs to draw in more users
  • Link this post to all places that contain people disenfranchised and disillusioned by Reddit’s looming ban of /r/genzedong (e.g. Reddit, Discord, Telegram, Element, etc…). We need to advertise why Lemmygrad is more than just a knock-off subreddit replacement that will be forgotten about in a month. Moreover, we should aim towards reaching appreciation of the unique opportunities Lemmy presents for the people already inside the community.

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  • Browse Lemmy’s current app offerings. Likely due to a large influx of new accounts and activity, some instance behaviors are unusable on the apps and many users, including myself, have been using the Lemmy web app on our phone’s browsers in the meantime!

Lastly, stay patient - this transition was a long time coming, and it will take weeks if not months for our community to adapt to the new demands and realities and eventually stabilize. For instance, there have been significant periods of downtime where Lemmygrad has been unusable, either due to increased traffic or DDOS efforts (instance behavior on mobile apps has also been unusable, even when the site is accessible). While solutions to these issues do occur, they do not happen overnight. Hang in there :)

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    u/ZaalbarsArse - originally from r/GenZhou
    Please go outside and actually organise

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      [deleted] - originally from r/GenZhou
      A well organized commune starts at the heart, get those taht are homeless and of sound mind informed about Marxist Leninism, have them get organized, unity in class struggle in all aspects starts with reaching out to the less fortunate.

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    u/Anti_Terrestrialist - originally from r/GenZhou
    having a community to share memes and discuss things is great but for the love of god please don’t get bogged down in all of this internet-organizing crap. there are real life organizations actually doing things and making an impact that need more help.

    just going to a meeting or radical book club or whatever is infinitely more impactful than posting in an online echo chamber.

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      u/admirersquark - originally from r/GenZhou
      Internet is the way people get informed and create their opinions nowadays, and it is an important niche to occupy. Of course there is much more to organizing than information war, but I wouldn’t underestimate the impact of public opinion. Regulation of media is a very important communist task, and we might be laying the base for that. This is also organizing

      Plus, not everybody has a local chapter where they can find people IRL, many places still have several restrictions because of Covid, etc

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        u/Anti_Terrestrialist - originally from r/GenZhou
        of course this is important in the way you put it. but which is more useful: doing this through a party, or a conglomeration of unaccountable individuals?

        not everyone has a local chapter but the only way a local chapter will be made is through someone taking action. you also don’t need a communist party to start organizing. plus organizing is and has been happening during the pandemic, through many different and safe means.

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    u/SocialistJoe - originally from r/GenZhou
    It’s really nice not having to worry about Reddit censors.

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    u/pope-ron-paul-II - originally from r/GenZhou
    it’s a terrible idea to segregate ourselves into an echo chamber where no one who isn’t already a communist will ever stumble upon.

    i mean, this isn’t good activism regardless, but even worse is retreating to an offsite hugbox. there will be more communist subreddits, and more problems, that is how it is

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      u/s1syphean - originally from r/GenZhou
      Of course, Reddit is one of our most valuable resources we have. On the other hand, it may be counterproductive to fight against the resolution to this contradiction.

      Would you rather spend all your effort grinding against the impenetrable wall of Reddit as it apathetically extinguishes your results in a few clicks?

      We need to accelerate the transition away from internet feudalism by maintaining enough presence on one of the largest forums (Reddit) to have a functional pipeline to places where our presence won’t be banned. Investing in Lemmygrad is not mutually exclusive - and in fact is multiplicative of - our motive to stay on Reddit as much as we are allowed.

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        u/pope-ron-paul-II - originally from r/GenZhou
        fair point, i just worry that communities without an audience outside themselves, online, well, tend to get Weird

        but yeah, you are right that this is not mutually exclusive

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          u/s1syphean - originally from r/GenZhou
          Agreed, I share your concern about isolation. We will need to ensure we have reliable entry and exit points to Lemmygrad to prevent feedback loops.

          Do you have any ideas about what can be done? Ways to keep a presence on Reddit without drawing their attention enough to ban?

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            u/Ryan_Cynic - originally from r/GenZhou
            I say we should continue the loud, bombastic approach that brought Genzedong such infamy and publicity rather than descend into code-phrases and crypto-communism on Reddit.com. They will have to keep banning us. It helps that Reddit isn’t very proactive about banning radicals of either left or right until the MSM comes down on them for it.

            The only failure of Genzedong was the lack of a well-written pinned post about why we believe what we believe and the unhelpful introduction of “We are dengists in support of Bashar Al Assad yadadada” that probably led to many visitors clicking away before getting so much as an elevator pitch as to why we’re so “crazy”.

            Also, Lemmygrad cannot be a hub long term, it will surely bleed daily page visits in mere weeks. At best it’ll maintain about 1/10th the size of Genzedong long term.

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              u/s1syphean - originally from r/GenZhou
              We should do what you say as much as we are able. However, my fear is that we have seen this approach fail. Looking back at the other political bans, like T_D, their sister-subs that catch fleeing users are very, very quickly also banned for ban evasion. If Reddit views a sub as a replacement for a banned subreddit, the sub is unceremoniously banned.

              I agree that we should make them ban us at every corner, but this approach alone is not sufficient to ensure a stable community. Reddit admins can all-too-easily fracture community integrity in a way that outsizes our efforts to flee to new subreddits by an order of magnitude.

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                [deleted] - originally from r/GenZhou
                There is also the choice of other social medias to spread MList influence, we should think of Lemmygrad as a main hub and spawn tentacles to ensnare others onto our ideals.

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                u/Ryan_Cynic - originally from r/GenZhou
                They haven’t found us here yet, and they haven’t even properly banned Genzedong either. Besides, I don’t understand what’s there to lose, we make the jannies have to work hard to earn their pay in the process of crushing us at worst and at best we’ll skate by for a long time and continue growing our base. Meanwhile if we stay on Lemmygrad we’re guaranteed to lose. The only future Lemmygrad has in a combination approach is as a hub to advertise and coordinate the ML subs that haven’t been banned. Very little effort should be expended towards this end, everything else stays on Reddit.

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                  u/s1syphean - originally from r/GenZhou
                  I hope I will be proven wrong, but I don’t see a future where significant ML subs, like a functional /r/genzedong replacement, are allowed to exist on Reddit.

                  Reddit certainly has found us here. Reddit closely monitors any sub related to the subs it’s preparing to ban so that it can prevent ban evasion. I will be pleasantly surprised if, when /r/genzedong is banned, this sub is not also banned soon after.

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      [deleted] - originally from r/GenZhou
      It’s not and I’m tired of pretending otherwise, Reddit stifles the free speech it so purportedly claims to support when it challenges the narrative for MLists as well as a variety of others, we can support propaganda campaigns against the Liberals and infiltrate their Democratic and Social Democratic parties more thoroughly as is the goal for a better change of society.

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    [deleted] - originally from r/GenZhou
    Joined and I’m free to say on there, Stalin did nothing wrong and neither did Castro, Che, or Lenin.

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      u/kvalfoerd - originally from r/GenZhou
      Look guys a gamer!!

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        u/Leviation_ - originally from r/GenZhou
        Yeah, i play games. So what?

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          u/kvalfoerd - originally from r/GenZhou
          Then keep playing your video games and don’t come here in bad faith

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            u/Leviation_ - originally from r/GenZhou
            Genzedong getting banned 🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀

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              u/kvalfoerd - originally from r/GenZhou
              This is r/GenZhou

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                u/Leviation_ - originally from r/GenZhou
                You call yourselves the educational hub of Genzedong so sooner or later GenZhou is going to be the new Genzedong because you need your echochamber to survive

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                  u/kvalfoerd - originally from r/GenZhou
                  I don’t call myself anything, I’m here to talk about theory I’ve read over the last few weeks. Also this doesn’t stop with the virtual sphere, I think you overestimate the importance of reddit for most of us. What’s the last book you’ve read?

                  As said why are you here? Why are you investing your time in bad faith discussions on random sub-reddits? Wouldn’t playing Skyrim make more sense? The only echo chamber rn is your own head

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          u/Ryan_Cynic - originally from r/GenZhou
          The first vdeo gme was MeinKraft in 1925, why do you love Hitler so much?