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    “Israel has a right to self-defence, but it has to be done within international law … cutting water, cutting electricity, cutting food to a mass of civilian people is against international law,” said EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell on Tuesday (10 October).

    He repeated the view more than once in his press briefing. “The Palestinian people are also suffering,” he added.

    An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. This cycle of violence and repression needs to stop.

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      It’s not an eye for an eye though. Israeli atrocities over the decades dwarf what has been inflicted upon them by Palestine and Hamas.

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        It’s not an eye-for-an-eye because we shouldn’t consider targetting civilians an option. If you want to call militias that target civilians terrorists, be consistent regardless of what uniform they are wearing.

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          This is the only take that actually matters. If Ukraine responded to Russia by bombing villages and shooting civilians, they would not have such near-worldwide support. If Israel wants to truly be better than “savages” then they need to act like it.

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          Probably should not consider the actions of a British appointed Mufti in a League of Nations mandated Palestine in the interest of not being disingenuous.

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            What’s disingenuous about a man who the Palestinians/Arabs agreed to follow who was in favor of genociding Jews? You think they actually gave a fuck about who the British said was a leader or not? They obviously didn’t care about the mandate for an independent and free Israel. Fucking hypocritical, being disingenuous yourself.

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                It is so sad when people run out of arguments and devolve into kindergarten insults.

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                  It’s so sad when fellow shit for brains white knight for each other over an argument implying that a unilaterally appointed leader by a colonial power represents popular wills and attitudes of the colonised. Especially sad when a fellow shit for brains whitewashes Holocaust by implying that I should waste my time repudiating an argument saying that an anti-semetic Mandatory Palestinian leader had a meaningful enough hand in the Holocaust. Heartbreaking when they want me to rim their fellow shit for brains’ assholes despite blatant Islamophobia.

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        So it an eye for an eye from Palestinian side and should be stopped!

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          Would be better to discuss this in terms grounded in reality rather than papering over idioms with clever gotchas.

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      That’s the point. The game is to be the last man standing with at least partial vision.

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      It is a pretty clown face move to attach those that supply your water, electricity and fuel.

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        By that logic, the other way this ends is the dissolution of israel.

        They cant seem to stop themselves from murdering and pillaging their neighbors, right? So they have to go. Right? Thats matching your logic just fine.

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        There’s another possibility.

        Lebanon gets involved. Then Iran. Then the US. Then Iraq. Then Afghanistan. Then Russia. On and on until it’s WW3

        But no one wants to talk about that

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          If the EU and the US have managed to avoid getting directly involved in Ukraine Vs Russia and starting WW3 that way, there is no way this conflict will start anything that big.

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          Nobody talks about it, because it’s not realistic. This will be treated as another proxy war, with countries providing aid, but not actively fighting.

          The US and Russia are already involved. Russia likely started this mess, and US is already sending munitions to its ally.

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            What’s unlikely about Hezbollah getting involved? Or Iran? Or the Taliban?

            It can easily inflame into a massive regional war, and there go oil prices. With oil prices go food prices. With both, inflation slips out of control. Now there’s fuel shortages and hunger everywhere, heightening tensions.

            This is a powder keg. Wake up

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          Yes I’m sure we need to care about great power Afghanistan “getting involved” in Gaza. We should also be wary of Mongolia, and probably Lesotho as well.

          Russia/Iran/US/EU are all already “involved” in with Israel. US/EU/Israel want to culturally genocide palestine and Russia/Iran want to hurt the US/EU. This isn’t ww3, and if push comes to shove none of the major players are going to start ww3 over Israel or Palestine.

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        they really could have just left them alone. It would have been exactly the same result with the Palestinians blaming those in Palestine for their issues.

        instead they meddle and build illegal settlements.

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        Get this racist bullshit outta here, the middle east is literally one of the cradles of civilization and throughout its history has been a place of tolerance and learning, the barbarity overwhelmingly comes from the outside

        You’re also using an example of one of the earliest law codes we know to show barbarity, fucking unreal

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          The exact opposite before the law, if a family member was killed, the other tribe may go kill the whole family.

          That is what eye for an eye is about. Tolerance.

          Maybe you should brush up on your history. Blood feuds are still on going In the Middle East.

          It’s like communism. It’s brutal for the sake of being brutal

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        Israel isn’t just denying Hamas water, they are denying Palestinians water. That includes children and infants and uninvolved innocents.

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                  You’re making vague statements that the children of Gaza should be evacuated, but that’s not a solution unless you can tell me where they would be evacuated to.

                  There are two and a half million people in the Gaza Strip. What place is going to accept two and a half million Palestinian refugees? Bear in mind that millions of Palestinians have already ended up as refugees throughout the region and that is already considered a huge problem. Nobody wants even more to deal with. So what country? Even if there were magical teleporters to get them there and everyone was willing to leave their homes forever, who’s going to take them in and support them?

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                    Okay well then fuck em I guess. Shrug. We’ve tried nothing and we’re all outta ideas. Without a complete and total answer for [random internet jackass] then nothing can be done.

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                    You honestly expect me to have answers for this? All I can do is vaguely hope that some innocent civilians can escape. That’s literally all I have.

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        Few people are worried about hamas. The concern is for the women and children. The people with no say in any of this. It’s not a crime to refuse to resupply an enemy, it is a crime to starve innocent people.

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            Actually the only hope of truly lasting peace is the dissolution of Israel and the creation of a new state that doesn’t limit citizenship and suffrage along ethnic or religious lines.

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              This. Israel never should have been there in the first place. It’s stolen land, ruled by a tyrannical apartheid regime.

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            Noone wins a war of occupation. You either learn to live with conquered peoples and give them access tibequal rights (Roman empire) or completely erase the local population (Europeans in North America).

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        Same rhetoric as German occupiers claiming that they would not execute civilian hostages as long as Resistance fighters would give themselves up. Sorry for the Goldwyn point but you made it a low hanging fruit.