I often notice people discussing the (supposedly only potential) existence of chemical weapons in Ukraine. I’ve learned not to trust everything I see in front of me, so I want some concrete proof of such a bold claim.
Speaking of bold claims about Ukraine, does anyone have a “masterpost” for the Russia-Ukraine conflict? I just wanna read more about it through a Marxist-Leninist perspective.
I dont know what you mean. If you mean claims by US and Ukraine that Russia has used chemical weapons in Ukraine, its bs, there is no evidence, besides unsubstantiated claims by Azov Battalion (literal nazis, not very trustworthy). If you mean the US biological labs in Ukraine exposed by Russia, those are real. US diplomat Victoria Nuland admitted it under oath that they were real, after weeks of saying they were “russian propaganda”. Now they are claiming that yes they are real but its just medical research. Ask yourself, why would the US DoD fund 20+ biolabs in Ukraine, and why would Victoria Nuland “be very worried that Russia may take control of those labs” if its just medical research?
Every legitimate biolab contains harmful bacteries that must never ever leak so they are implying that Russia could use this. However, why would Russia unleash uncontrollable bacteries near to its border and onto its army ? That hypothesis only works if one considers Russians to be cartoonish brainless villains… well I guess they do so that’s not surprising.
That doesnt explain why the DoD is funding these labs. Are you seriously buying the DoD funding medical research for civilian purposes?
Ah yes forgot about this. Seriously fuck breadtube this guy “loner box” doesn’t mention it and I was almost convinced by his shit
Yes fuck him, bunch of social fascists and social imperialists.
Did Nuland or someone else testify that the DoD funded them? Even then, did DoD send more than just money and/or did it promote large-scale bioculture manufacturing, way above the publicly disclosed scope? The US has its fingers in everything, but evidence is still required to present such claims, especially when they implicate a foreign nation. At lest, I would consider that common sense. I’ve heard stories of various US departments funding the weirdest of shit, so the story could turn out to be a dead end.
Its public knowledge that they are DoD funded, its on us.gov and Nuland admitted it. Russia released many documents about the investigations done there, studying the transmission of dangerous pathogens through local birds and researching gene specific pathogens to be most effective against slavic populations. These are actual legit looking documents, not just a vial with powder and a power point presentation like Colin Powell did. Russia is always truthful in the things they claim, especially with something this severe, since they know truth is on their side. Scott Ritter, a former US Marine intelligence officer and UN weapons inspector in Iraq believes this to be real, since he himself has witnessed the US violating the chemical and biological weapons convention by mass producing sarin gas, VX gas and weaponized anthrax for “defensive purposes”. Furthermore, a bulgarian independent journalist has been investigating and denouncing these biolabs for more than 2 years now, way before Russia denounced it. An interview with her: https://youtu.be/kh5kPqpuOBs
Dont believe what the western media tells you “is a conspiracy theory”, because thats a well known tactic invented by the CIA to discredit whistleblowers. Besides, just a few weeks ago the Hunter Biden Laptop was a “QAnon conspiracy theory” and now the western media admits its real.
The laptop story was obviously real, the QAnon part was just randos making wild conjectures and blowing it up into completely unrelated territories like population mind control, new lizard world order, child blood drinking, and similar nonsense. I suppose, when I look at it from the other side, when the emphasis is placed on the easily discreditable parts of it, then that makes it look like the entire story is fake. Perhaps the biolabs really are producing WMDs, it just so happens that this one guy presented the story without evidence it and it turned into this entire thing before actual evidence of anything was discovered.
I believe I received some files that were claimed to contain proof of this. I didn’t actually open them though.
Edit: how can I send you these files securely? I still haven’t looked at them, but I do have them.
Zero, it came from the Azovs …
https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxda7y/ukraine-biolabs-war-clandestine-tucker-carlson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or9kGzemcps
I haven’t actively researched this story, but these two did cross my path over the past few days. The first explains that the claim originated from a bogus conspiracy theory, and the second debunks some supposed evidence that has been presented towards the claim. (The second one has a strong “anti-tankie” vibe, but if you can stomach that, it’s a pretty well-researched video overall.)
As of right now, I don’t have any “good” sources that would be in favor of the theory. If there are any, they would need to debunk the above two links in their entirety.
Vice is anticommunist propaganda, its owned by Disney. Just look at the trash “reporting” they did on the “uyghur genocide” and the Cuba protests.
Bro seriously? How does their bias affect the facts that they’ve reported on? Or do you have actual evidence showing that the biolabs story did not in fact originate from a QAnon dumpster? And there’s no need to cite Nuland, I’ve heard about it, the existence of those labs is public knowledge. Whether they actually contain biological weapons is unknown as of yet.
Its not about bias, its about dishonesty. They reported the uyghur genocide as fact, when its literally a pack of lies. The title of that documentary? “Inside the worlds most dystopian place” in reference to Xinjiang, yes very unbiased. Even worse, they claim Cuba is a “repressive police state” and claimed that in Cuba its illegal to film the beaches and sea, which is literally false. To prove this last point, they went so far as to fabricate a supposed interaction with a cuban cop that was threatening them because they filmed the beaches. This cop was never seen on camera nor heard in the audio, its literally the reporter just pretending shes talking to someone and then claiming they “threatened” them. In a new “report” on Afghanistan they show the mass starvation and blame it on the Talibans “bad economic policies”, not on the US stealing 7 BILLION dollars from the afghan government. There is also 0 mention of US war crimes in Afghanistan or US funding of religious extremists there in the 80s, which literally created the Taliban. Vice, when it comes to US enemy countries, is pure propaganda, as all corporate media is.
I just watched the Loner Box video and it’s so western apologetic. Painting US funding as “just foreign aid” when foreign aid has a history of being weaponised was very sketchy. Also the whole “Kremlin manipulating the media!!!” with absolutely zero perspective on how the western media is accusing Russia of doing exactly what they do all the fucking time. Also it uses this broad liberal idea of imperialism being “big country builds influence” and not the stricter, more useful analysis of Lenin.
But that just sounds like shifting the blame now. Both sides can be guilty of the same thing, and just because that one side is heavily biased doesn’t mean that their own sources that they present are bunk too. By all means, we can investigate these claims ourselves, there’s no need for Vice to spoon-feed us a prepared narrative.
Also yeah, its not imperialism per se, but it still has a strategic / economical motive, ie. a motive beneficial to Russia. Why would Russia launch a war, if it had nothing to gain? And for the record, I don’t buy the idea that they’re just trying to level the odds. No one is automatically this nice and polite, especially not bourgeois nation-states. When Russia becomes a communist state again, then perhaps it will become more believable.
For now, I don’t think the evidence for biological warfare research in Ukraine amounts to anything. Though if a secret facility does exist somewhere that no one has discovered yet, then that would be quite the coincidence.
I don’t really understand your response because I generally agree with you I was just pointing how pro-west the videos is, doesn’t mean russia is free from propaganda or economic interests in war (for the matter I’m really not well researched enough so I don’t want to affirm anything)
