Former President Trump urged Republicans to dig in as a shutdown looms over Washington, arguing Sunday that President Biden will take the blame if the federal government closes. Congress faces a Se…

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    I feel like intent to undermine the functioning of the whole US government should be a crime

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      IANAL, and that crime might be in the sedition/ treason category of crimes. And we have most of a specific political party that has been and continues to engage in this category of crimes.

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      Add it to the list if you want. It’s pretty far down compared to some of the other stuff he’s done.

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    Does anyone else think the public is smart enough to blame the shutdown on the guy who keeps loudly pushing for a shutdown?

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      There’s a good chunk of the public that is unbelievably dumb, so they’ll give whatever cheato Mussolini tells them to believe.

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      Most of the public will blame the Republicans, but Trump and the Republicans don’t care about “most of the public.” They only care about their base.

      Their base will definitely believe that the government shutdown is not the fault of the Republicans who refuse to accept any deal, but instead is the fault of the Democrats/Biden for just giving the Republicans 100% of what they demand.

      At the same time, they’ll believe that the Republicans caused the shutdown, but that it’s a good thing that they did. Yes, it’s contradictory. No, they don’t care.

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        The base that will blame biden is in on the lie though. You can ask pointed questions like “so you believe biden vetoed it” or “why cant the house gop vote on a spending bill”. The ones that actually follow politics know enough not to sound stupid. They will keep side stepping the issue until the subject changes. They are disciplined.

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      They are counting on the low-info types to believe the bothsiderist narrative the feeble “liberal media” is bound to give on this, and either not vote, or vote for t****.

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    He is right, average joe republicans will blame Biden for this, because they have to to protect their identities as republicans, that requires blind loyalty.

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      Maybe if republicans actually passed a stop gap or something, even if it’s bat shit insane. As of right now, it’s all Republican infighting. The question right now is whether it’s McCarthy or Matt Gaetz fault. Biden isn’t even in the picture right now, it’s not like Republicans can say Biden isn’t giving into their demands or whatever. There are no demands, it’s just Republican on Republican bickering.

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        Don’t worry. The MAGA Republicans will find a way to blame Biden for this. They won’t let anything like facts get in their way.

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    It’s weird how they tacitly admit their own policy of shutting down the government on the regular is actually something most people realize is a bad, and hope it is blamed on others.

    Demonstrating yet again that most Americans are not really down with the radical conservative agenda, despite the claim that this is a “center-right” country.

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      I think McConnell and McCarthy have learned that voters blame Republicans for this instead of Democrats, and the debt ceiling standoff around May just hammered that in further. The plurality believed Republicans were at fault for the whole thing.

      It’s likely savvy of Republican leadership to avoid another self inflicted crisis like this, especially since House Republicans can’t even pass a 100% Republican bill for starting negotiations.

      And as usual, Trump felt left out, and now he’s advocating they take the worst option and insisting that Dems will be blamed instead. I suspect enough House Republicans know he’s full of shit to take this as confirmation they’re going to be the ones who get the blame.

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    I don’t bother with the right-wing propaganda networks so I don’t know, but I can’t imagine how they might spin this to blame Biden when his administration hasn’t even been involved in the process.

    The whole thing hinges on a purely internal conflict not just within Congress, but in the House specifically. How does that even colorably come to be blamed on an entirely separate branch?

    I don’t doubt that the propaganda outlets and the grifters will simply lie, and conjure up some entirely different account of things that won’t match up at all with the plain objective reality of the whole thing stalling because a group of hard right House members are demanding concessions and refusing to vote in favor of a budget that doesn’t include them, but I can’t even imagine what it will be, since it will have to be essentially completely false, from start to finish.

    Unfortunately, I also don’t doubt that some significant part of the Republican base will believe whatever it is, since they’ve been so thoroughly indoctrinated and made so subject to their emotions that they literally can no longer distinguish between reality and fantasy.

    Still though, even with as confused and misled and blinded by emotion as much of the Republican base is, and as brazenly dishonest as the propagandists and grifters that are profiting off of them are, I can’t imagine how it might be the case that Biden will get the blame for this. It’s not just that it’s not narrowly true, but that there isn’t even a colorable basis, as far as I can see, to even pretend that it is.

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    I just love how Republicans have dropped all pretebxi to care and talk directly about sabotaging their country and government and then blame " the other side"

    At this point I’d argue that This group is closer to a terrorist organization than a political party

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      they get blamed

      But does anything actually happen?

      Are there any actual consequences?

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        Usually they get rewarded with the concessions they want from the Democrats who are scared of being blamed for Republicans’ actions.

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          So it sounds like, contrary to what the previous comment said, republicans do learn just fine. They learn that they can get away with it.

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          Exactly. What we see as terrible breaches of ethics and integrity, conservatives see as “winning”. And they like winning.

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      I think it’s reasonable to blame them, even charge them for the crimes they have done (people have suffered previously), and continue to do. Seriously.

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    9 months ago

    How are we constantly out of money? This seems to happen every few months. Rather than trying to borrow our way out of debt we need to learn to live within our means. Our government is a total mess.

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    A free vacation for Federal Government Employees, at least those who knew to save up. Republicans do this every two years.