I was looking through their comments to see if they were worth replying to, and this exchange here confirms it’s absolutely not worth it. It’s laughable how arrogant they are with how little they actually know about US politics.

I have no idea what the fuck you’re trying to say but it sounds like right wing bullshit.

Yeah I’ll agree with that. It was exceptionally poor wording and it comes down to the benefit of the doubt if you believe she worded it poorly vs … yeah. But the deserves the benefit of the doubt.

It was a very poor choice of wording to say freedom fighters to refer to civilians. It was just as poor to mention videos without any information whatsoever on the contents of the videos. Perhaps this is one giant misunderstanding.

Either way, a statement referring to a video from freedom fighters in the region right now without any context immediately brings to mind the carnage from the terrorist attack.

Who are the Palestinian freedom fighters she’s referring to?

Edit: She clarifies she means the civilians. It’s an awful choice of wording, but I can give her the benefit of the doubt.

Her comment suggests the videos of interest are being filmed by the freedom fighters.

I am unaware of any armed Palestinian group which fights the Israeli government for their independence. Who is the only other group that someone could (somehow) construe as freedom fighters that’s taking videos?

Unless she’s calling the Israeli army freedom fighters and they have people filming in their midst, there’s only one group she can be talking about, and they went through a music festival with guns.

Don’t stop at just reading the comment. Comprehend it. Analyze it.

Edit: And that includes your own comments. There are indeed other groups involved which aren’t Hamas, and she was referring to civilians. Incredibly poor wording if she’s telling the truth, but I see no reason to not give her that benefit of the doubt.

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One of my favorite insults is saying someone should shove a rusty cactus up their ass.

I think we just became best friends. Or at least, to not be presumptive, you’ve gained a new fan.

I’m pretty sure Jesus frowns upon delighting in the en masse deaths of a people. I believe that’s the story of thing that opens the gates of hell for you personally.

There’s really no point in history we can use to say “there, this makes X side justified and Y side the bad guys!”

Pogroms in Russia left Jewish scholars to conclude that they would only see respect and freedom if they had their own state. That morphed over time into a nationalist movement with violent insurgents.

Palestinians were just living under British colonial rule. They wanted freedom and independence too, and cooperated against violent insurgents. They wanted their land in full and to not have to give it away to and accommodate other people. And over time that’s morphed into groups like Hamas that want every Israeli dead and Israel destroyed.

Their causes have all done damnable things at some point. Their causes started from wanting fundamental freedom and independence and safety.

Every country is a settlement, you’re really not making a point.

Look into the chain of events that caused Israeli/Palestinian enmity, then what caused those events, and so forth. You’ll find the only innocent side here are the civilians.

I tried to figure out who was really to blame for all this yesterday, and I stopped at the Russian revolution without an answer.

Nationalism and the desire for a Jewish state came from the pogroms of Jews in Russia – paraphrased, a Jewish scholar believed they would only have freedom and be respected if they had their own country.

Britain decades later wanted influence in an area that they had none in, and they wanted to grow a Jewish population to create that influence. Zionists happily accepted.

And from then on we’ve had the Arab/Palestine/Israeli enmity.

Everyone has been a victim. Everyone has been an aggressor. I suspect that if I were to follow the source of the Russian pogroms, I’d ultimately end up with the Romans in Israel.

I tried to trace the origins of the conflict yesterday, and I got to the Russian revolution with still no concrete answer. I figured out the reason for the Balfour Declaration and the reason why there was a Zionist movement for a Jewish state, but I have yet to figure out what factors caused the events leading to that.

Are you assuming there’s so much bad coverage of Musk because people worship him? It’s almost always dunking on how much of an idiot he is and hoping he loses lots of money.

I understand it can be legitimately annoying to hear about some people repeatedly, but when the discourse is about how awful those people are, you’re better off just not clicking the link. Let people who want to eat popcorn at the circus do so and leave the circus.

Just look further down in this thread. You can see one person justifying Hamas and saying “slave rebellions require the wanton killing of their masters” and another justifying Israel’s actions by conflating all of Palestine with Hamas.

It’s the rare case where there are actually a nontrivial group of people taking what would be otherwise a strawman position. And that makes it incredibly difficult for us to discuss this like adults. This conflict is the perfect storm of centuries of geopolitics, anti semitism, anti Muslim sentiment, and nationalism.

The only good people here are the innocent civilians, and they’re the ones being brutally murdered and bombed and taken hostage.

Aaaaand I’m hearing that Hezbollah has attacked Northern Israel.

Could these people just… not? Is that so much to ask for?

With the world’s worst EMTs to boot.

Something in the story just doesn’t make sense.

They’re certainly heavily outnumbered

At this point a forced migration might be the option with the least bloodshed, as repulsive as it is. Then you run into the problem though that Palestinians are still shunned by the Arab world because being them being Muslim isn’t enough to override antisemitism from their nationality.

Ironically I think we might need another mandated “this region is now the home of Palestinians” like with Israel if they’re going to have a peaceful place to live.

For the record I don’t like any of these solutions. But like you said we’re quickly approaching the point where Israel may permanently end the conflict through the genocide of the Palestinians, and that’s the absolutely least desirable outcome.

I don’t know what would be worse. If they did that grotesque parade with her corpse, or with her alive but in critical condition.

God. This is so unbelievably fucked up. I think I’d call it unrealistic, gratuitous violence if it happened in a fictional story.

I really have no other words. I had a history teacher who said that there was nothing more dangerous than a zealot. He was all too right.

It goes back even further than that when you look into why Zionists wanted a Jewish state in the first place. I did a deep dive today trying to figure out the origin of the conflict and the original victims and aggressors, and I ended up in Revolutionary Russia before calling a quits for the day.

I don’t know what an ideal solution is at this point, nor what an actually viable solution would be. I wonder if it would even be better for the issue to not end instead of continuing on the path it’s on. The way things are going, the only place we’ll end up is with one of the sides completely wiped out. :/