So there is a loneliness epidemic caused by capitalist alienation. However, I wonder if lack of material conditions also adds to this. I just keep seeing lots of my broke guy friends depressed because they can’t find a partner and it is so hard for them to meet new people. This makes me wonder if their financial situation is the main reason.

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      Would socialism be able to fix everything as it exists right now? No, obviously not. But socialism will change the conditions that cause these issues to arise over time. I think its fair for people to acknowledge the fact that capitalism and class society is the ultimate root of these problems and it is the fault of no single individual.

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        Exactly, it’s like the development of a vaccine. It won’t cure the permanent damage or disability that’s already been done, but it will drastically reduce the occurrence of such damage in the future.

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          Not just that, but our foundational social structures have been completely upended by capitalism. We are simply not meant to live like this and socialism will help us start to repair the damage. We are supposed to live communally, our isolation at the expense of capital has done incalculable social damage.

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      I think it’s more that socialism is a prerequisite of fixing interpersonal issues on a large scale. You can’t stitch the wound while the knife is still in it.

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      I don’t think is that comrades think that socialism will given them a harem or anything that incel profess, but that it will give the freedom and capacity to people to have the opportunity to socialize more and by that making deeper connections with other people.

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          I imagine it would at least making working on yourself feasible, which might be enough. I can’t count the number of times I’ve had to put some kind of self-improvement on the back burner because of the pressing need to focus on becoming more employable. I think having more free time and energy would do wonders for people’s personal development.

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            I can’t count the number of times I’ve had to put some kind of self-improvement on the back burner because of the pressing need to focus on becoming more employable.

            what kind of self-improvement had to go on the back burner?

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              Reading theory for starters. For long stretches of time, I just don’t have the mental bandwidth. Working, trying to find a new job, etc seem to leave me mentally drained more and more frequently.

              Learning new things, developing hobbies, meeting new people. Going to the gym regularly or eating healthier. I have limited time and energy at the best of times.

              For a recent example: I opted out of a reading and discussion group I’m really interested in, in favor of reading and learning about writing resumes and doing better in job interviews.

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          My point is, while socialism would perhaps make it easier for individuals to confront these problems, a lot of the leg work to actually improve their situation still falls on the individual.

          ok, and people are unable to do that legwork under capitalism, but they’d have much better ability to do that legwork if they weren’t being destroyed by capitalism.

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        maybe it won’t give you a harem but i’m built different

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        We’d need to cure incel type thinking and teach them on how to care for themselves so that they can actually care for women. Seeing women as objects of desire rather than people with their own wants and needs is antithetical to the socialist project. That is not to say that more secure resources will certainly make things easier for everyone.

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      It clearly is a collective problem in the west and when socialists are in power and see problems, we want to solve them. A portion of resources dedicated towards training psychologists to improve the interpersonal relationships of everyone would be a massive boon to everyone’s experience of socialism.