• Ertebolle@kbin.social
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    If Trump suffers a stroke and ends up in a wheelchair and/or partially paralyzed himself, I think this comment gives everyone permission to feel happy about that.

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      I’ve moved on to DnD style ethics, if something bad happens to someone whos evil aligned, that action is a good action. The old ethics were written for the powerful in an attempt to justify their power and demonize any challenges to it. I don’t require specifics anymore. Its good and funny when bad things happen to bad people. And the worse the things, the funnier it gets.

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        Rosie O’Donnell walking away from an explosion only to turn her head and reveal that one half of her face is missing…

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      Thank you for THIS service. It’s admittedly comforting to have some vets on the same side. Hope Traitor Trump rots in jail, and you get the benefits you’re rightly owed and more.

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    The headline buries the lead. He calls all soldiers “killers.” This an article everyone should read.

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          Wow can find anything on the internet.

          It is lede.

          Maybe they don’t use that when publishing blogs but it’s used in serious formal writing, academia and law.

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            You clearly didn’t even read the article, or even skim it. It’s not referencing blogs.

            And by your own standard of serious formal writing using it… this is Lemmy.

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              Well then. Let’s check the authority on diction…

              https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bury

              https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lede

              https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lead

              Which noun form of lead can be “buried,” such that the sentence has prepositional phrase agreement? Talkin’ 'bout physically burying something underneath backfill.

              With lead, I’ll concede people have fucked it up enough in modern usage to warrant entry in the dictionary, but it’s a quatiary definition, 2(f)(1). Even that definition literally ends in a coda, says “go look up LEDE, you f’n goofball.”

              And for lede? It’s not numbered, lettered, and numbered again, because it’s the only thing lede means. “Bury the lede.” What a sentence. Evokes the typesetter sitting over the moveable type press, laying out every character, with the most important feature of the story down, below a bunch of fill. It’s how you should write. Clear, concise. Good diction. I may die on this hill a hero.

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                It’s a fairly new word. From what I could find it was added to the Webster’s dictionary in 2008.

                https://proofed.co.uk/writing-tips/idiom-tips-bury-the-lede-or-bury-the-lead/

                And to the Oxford dictionary in 2015.

                https://www.oed.com/dictionary/lede_n2?tab=meaning_and_use

                First usage seems to be around 1950, give or take, depending on the source.

                The idea that this is a term common in old news rooms feels dubious at best. The inclusion in dictionaries in 2008 and later suggests that this became an “actually it’s lede” comment on the internet that caught on to the point of inclusion. The explanation provided in the link I posted, which is sourced around 1950 seems most probable and implies a very specific usage that is not relevant for general use. I have to assume this was something an English professor told to classes to sound smart and it slowly morphed and spread from there, picking up steam in the internet age.

                Most sources seem to say either are acceptable, so this whole thing is rather silly. As only a fairly limited subset of the population knows what “lede” means without looking it up, “lead” seems to be safer word to use for broad understanding. Concise words are great, but only if the average reader knows what they mean.

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                  Acceptable maybe, but one is more correct. And lede is more correct because of what it evokes, the typesetter moving the lines of movable type, literally burying the lede.

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      Yeah it’s not news that reminding people of the Iraq war makes Republicans look bad.

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      I hate trump. But is he wrong? American soldiers are killers. Willingly joining wars where they are the aggressors and bomb schools and hospitals.

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        The average teenager has no realization about that stuff. The three main motivators for military service were (and remain) escaping poverty, service tradition, and ideology. And once you’ve enlisted the only choice is war or prison.

        I have a lot more scorn for the adults that let Bush do it then I do for kids who didn’t have a chance in hell of realizing what this country does with soldiers and veterans.

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        Even if he is right, he owes it to people to make the POLICY ARGUMENT rather than just shit on some veterans to protect his brand.

        If he came out and said “veterans make Republicans look bad because of all their bad wars” maybe we’d cut him some slack.

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        The overhead to support one soldier is massive. But if we want to start referring to soldiers as killers, disparage the military, and make people think badly of them, then why spend so much money on it? Or do we just want to entice people to do a job everyone will look down on, blow a bunch of money on something everyone thinks is terrible, and treat those people like shit?

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    What’s the thing people say they like him for? “He says what we’re all thinking?”

    Sounds about right for republican patriotism; 100% packaging, 0% substance.

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      They’re like getting a gaming console for Christmas and all that’s in the box is some bricks and a smelly slime you can’t identify.

      Edit: Comparing them initially to the wonderful excitement of a good Christmas as a kid is wayyy too positive of a thing, but I don’t feel like deleting this. IDK words are hard.

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          Would you describe your service in the military as sweeping sand in a sandstorm? Mopping up the floor in a hurricane?

          Just curious.

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            As in I served in a non-combat role state side.

            Technical job, as far from the front line as is possible. In fact, the US wasn’t officially even at war, I was in between the first and second gulf war.

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    Wait, wasn’t this already known? I swear I read Trump saying something like this even before the 2020 election. Am I having a Deja vu?

    EDIT: Yes, it’s old news but now we have a reliable source and more details. Obviously he denied the claims the first time.

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    If you find yourself confused at how the right is all about those troops on one day and then when Trump shits on those troops they’re perfectly okay with that- it’s okay, that shit is confusing until you understand they only value the troops as props when it suits them.

    It’s also probably worth noting that Trump sees soldiers as chumps that weren’t special enough to get deferrals like him.

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      The Republicans have done master level manipulation where the groups of people they treat the worst think they’re on their side. It’s astounding

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    Ya know, it’s funny, I suspect the wounded vets would love to look at themselves in the mirror and see that they in fact hadn’t been wounded. But for them it’s just not that easy.

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    Milley had chosen a severely wounded Army captain, Luis Avila, to sing “God Bless America.” Avila, who had completed five combat tours, had lost a leg in an IED attack in Afghanistan, and had suffered two heart attacks, two strokes, and brain damage as a result of his injuries. To Milley, and to four-star generals across the Army, Avila and his wife, Claudia, represented the heroism, sacrifice, and dignity of wounded soldiers.

    It had rained that day, and the ground was soft; at one point Avila’s wheelchair threatened to topple over. Milley’s wife, Holly­anne, ran to help Avila, as did Vice President Mike Pence. After Avila’s performance, Trump walked over to congratulate him, but then said to Milley, within earshot of several witnesses, “Why do you bring people like that here? No one wants to see that, the wounded.” Never let Avila appear in public again, Trump told Milley. (Recently, Milley invited Avila to sing at his retirement ceremony.)

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    It wasn’t even a decade ago when the Republican party was all about the wounded vets and veterans in general. They were THE American heroes and were honored extensively. They used them to speak about how the libs didn’t give a damn about our soldiers and all that crap.
    Then Trump came in with his “I like soldiers who don’t get hurt or captured” bullshit and all the POW/MIA flags disappeared and got replaced with the Gadsen flag and the Iron Cross.

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      They use them to look good but they’re also the party that cuts the services they most need.

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      They weren’t even that before Trump. They were busy dismantling the VA and cutting benefits for veterans before him. Jon Stewart had to go to Congress to argue for benefits for veterans exposed to burn pits.

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    If Milley did it right, he would have put the wounded front and centre after a remark like that. Just shove it in his face.

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      The public wasn’t allowed to know because the Hatch Act prevents public disclosures like that from federal government employees.

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    And the “patriotic” MAGAtarded minions will STILL proudly vote for this piece of shit.

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      It really brings us down to their level when we use words like trumptard or magatard. Take the high road and stick to calling them hypocritical idiots.

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          It’s just a crude thing to say. If we say crude things out on the Internet for all to see, then we’re being crude and that reflects on our character. Just try to be good that’s all.

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            Crudeness isn’t what defines those animals. It’s their lack of morals, compassion, ability to think for themselves, and intelligence that does. So call them what they are and stop mincing words.

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              By not being crude we can add to the list of good qualities that separate us from them. We have to remember that what’s truly important is building a better world. If we resort to lesser tactics we cheapen ourselves and our goal.

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                If that works for you, good. For me, personally, I say fuck them. They don’t deserve the dignity and respect that I reserve for people who aren’t seditious cowards that fuck over their own country.

                They’re the worst, and they deserve nothing more than.