I am genuinely confused about how Hexbearians thought being dicks on the internet was going to change any hearts and/or minds
They’re simply trolls
The Shittier 4chan™️
They arent just dicks. They are maniacs who are in favour of the genocides commited against ukranians and uyghurs.
Because it worked on them. At some point someone was a smug, obnoxious removed to them online and they were like “Wow, thanks, I guess I’m a communist now!”
Me but with Vaush and he supports a more democratic and less genocidal version of communism.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I sort of look at them as amusement. It’s not like what they want will happen In our lifetimes (or ever probably). I don’t necessarily get why everyone hates them, just try looking at them as funny content lol
You must not have seen the amount of genocide denial they do, or the amount of simping for dictators.
What’s weird is that I don’t remember the Chapo guys doing any of that, they seem pretty solidly democratic socialist.
I guess that’s what happens when you let your community mods be Putin bots or whatever dumbfuckery went on.
It’s also what happens when you lock yourself in an echo chamber for long enough, you views will drift.
But the Chapo crowd always had tendencies towards brigading and whatnot which is why Reddit eventually deleted their sub.
Plus the Chapo crowd were firmly “Bernie or Bust,” which was a pretty shit view at the time.
They are the best example what happens when people are locked in their echo chamber. They are radicalizing themselves to the point of absurdity. The statements they make are so illogical its hard to even have a discussion about it, because they literally deny truisms.
I genuinely don’t understand why the admins are dragging ass and not just defederating from them already. They provide nothing of value, just spam and harassment.
Because if memory serves both Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad share some admins with each other
And with Lemmygrad and Hexbear loving each other: federation is going to stay a thing over here
One of the things I love about the instance I’m on is that we’re defederated from Hexbear, it’s pretty nice NGL
Well that certainly explains a lot.
Because you’re on a tankie instance. Go to sopuli.xyz; the admin banned all extremists left and right so it’s smooth sailing.
Is there a way to see who has defederated?
What does tankie mean?
wanna-be-edgy teenager who unironically wears Che Guevara t-shirts, mostly.
Also the kind that say anything western is the devil, and anything Russian and/or Chinese is the great saviour/perfection/whatever other bullshit.
So would the people from hexbear be considered tankies?
Welp, tried to delete my account and fuck off from this place due to that knowledge, but apparently account deletion doesnt work. so I’m just fuckin off.
Thanks for the info, made the decision easier.
Apparently so.
Ahh I guess that’s a good reason to hate them
Obligatory: fuck hexbear and fuck Lemmygrad.
Whenever I switch instances first thing I do is block these ones.
You can block specific instances on an account level? Tell me more please.
Yes, I use connect and do this through settings
Under settings there is a tab called “block”, which allows you to block users and entire communities
Hum sadly on my client that option isn’t there. I can only block communities or users. Can’t block whole instances. :(
Might consider changing client :)
They have a few instances that are oddly informative. I’m a leftist so I want that kind of news but I really hate their tankie bs.
But the cool emojis D:
Stay mad
No deal
I mean it has worked, I never had so much vitriol for weak willed tankies before this!
Im so radicalized, I might vote Neoliberally, woahhhh~ i make compromises with existing powers, oooooo~ I understand that people with different views than me can be reasonable people, ooooh~ spooky ghost hands
Hexbear is naïve, clinging to foundational theory without understanding the basic tenant of people. If you adopt a lick of psychology or sociology, you quickly understand how no one theory ever solves anything, and antagonizing people into your movement is not a way to turn hearts.
🤔 We need an economic and political model that’s based off of sociology and psychology
There once was a man named Harry Seldon…
I need to read those books again at some point. The first was off the chain.
I was shocked to realize that the degens on that instance aren’t just trolls setting out to make the far left look as stupid as possible, they’re true believers and really are that dumb. For a few harrowing days until they received defederation in exchange for their cool emojis and tankie wordvomit, I wondered whether McCarthy maybe wasn’t such a bad guy after all.
The 196 situation was fun
I think people have forgotten that the meme is supposed to be a bad deal?
Well I’m glad Hexbears have stopped spamming pig testicles at least. But. First impressions mean a lot and they did not make a good one.
Their most obnoxious members really need to learn how to proselytize because they’re their own worst enemy.
You don’t lead with the crazy genocide denial, you lead with pointing out stuff like Churchill genociding 3 million Indians with the Bengal famine, or that South Korea was a fascist state before the Korean war.
Oh, look, so was Vietnam.
Oh, weird, so was etc etc etc etc
The people who got PBBd deserved every one of them.
Every person who read the comments on a thread deserved it? The replies being public ruins that excuse.
I am assuming PBB is some acronym for pig bollocks.
PPB is an acronym for Pig Poop Balls.
It is a gag dated back to the Dark Days of Reddit, where there were regular posts about, “Well, actually, homelessness is good in the free market pee pee poo poo I am very intelligent.”
As they were not engaging in good faith, we, too, chose not to engage in good faith. Thus, we sent them photos of a prize hog defecating on his own testicles. The tradition of sending PPB to bad faith actors carries on to the present day.
It is very funny.
No, you just use it against anyone who doesn’t immediately agree with you on everything, and now you are the bad faith actor, and you’ve made being a bad faith actor more important than genuinely helping any progressive causes.
You’re acting like it’s gore or something. It’s literally just poop. Gross, maybe, but not really that offensive. Certainly not as disgusting as liberal takes on homelessness, bombing 3rd world countries, sacrificing lives for capitalism, etc.
And unlike those, a pig pooping on their own balls never hurt anyone.
Ah you replied but the notification didn’t end up in my mailbox.
Here’s my answer:
What about the sexual harassment?
Can you give an example?
I actually just dm’d you with the post earlier, check your messages.
I just saw it, you sent me this link:
https://hexbear.net/post/613387
which contains a screenshot of this comment:
https://lemm.ee/comment/3622601
where /u/randint complains that hexbear admin /u/TomboyShulk dismissed his complaints about three other comments, which he then links to.
The three comments are all from the same 22 day old thread, and his engagement with the thread starts here:
https://hexbear.net/comment/3829077
There are two pieces of context I think ought to be mentioned:
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“post hog” and other “post your dick” variants are a canned /r/ChapoTrapHouse response against any user who seems like an unusually odious or bad faith wrecker or reactionary, like a rebuttal to 4chan’s “tits or gtfo”. It started when a neo-nazi went on CTH to spout race science but was mocked into posting his dick, which defused the guy completely; at the time, the subreddit was getting a lot of people like that, and “post hog” became one of the go-to responses because it was low-effort and it shut them down. It bewildered and frustrated people who were there say awful things or make users feel unsafe.
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/u/randint has been on a crusade against hexbear for fucking weeks. He goes out of his way to stir shit and has explicitly admitted that his aim is to make the site look bad. Increasingly frustrated hexbears pointed out his bad faith engagement in the thread I linked. He goes about it in a bloodless, polite-sounding way, but he’s not there with good intentions. Only at the very end of the thread, deep in the exchange, did anyone give him the canned response, and it made him leave.
Ok, the deep lore of “post your hog” makes sense, and I honestly don’t think I can argue against sexually harassing a literal Neo-Nazi. Let the kid gloves come off.
But it is straight up sexual harassment. Yeah, it shuts people down quickly and easily, that’s literally what sexual harassment was designed for. And it’s not being reserved for Nazis, it’s being used liberally and the community and moderators foster an atmosphere that encourages sexual harassment of outsiders.
And to be fair, I see there’s outside actors acting in bad faith. But sexual harassment is either okay in a community, or it isn’t. You can’t blame a pro-sexual-harassment environment on a bad faith outside actor. And when sexual harassment has been normalized, how much space do you really have to complain about other people being bad faith actors?
The really terrible thing is that I don’t think Hexbear is even capable of having a good faith discussion about sexual harassment, with itself. If anyone was to point out the issue, the mods and most prolific posters would not be able to take it seriously and nothing would change.
In unixporn someone brought to light that the traditional term “ricing” had racist origins, and there was a little pushback, but by and large the community accepted that the term will be removed and banned. The community learned, and changed.
I have 0% expectation that Hexbear community is capable of listening, or changing.
i think it’s a fucking massive leap to characterize hexbear as a “pro-sexual harassment” environment. You can argue that they are overzealous in who they consider nazis sometimes, but multiple hexbears earlier in the thread did call /u/randint a nazi apologist for defending Adrien Zenz, so it’s clear they considered him a fair target. Hexbear users see hog posting as punching upward at privileged bullies and reactionaries they are powerless against in real life. You can dispute that view, you might even consider them delusional or self-indulgent, but I think it’s an enormous leap to conclude that they are generally in favor of sexual harassment of people.
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Someone forgot to remove their dog’s testicles once. It was a very harassing experience. Then I walked through the woods and saw a deer. It turned away and proceeded to harass me. Then I saw a pig and he said:
If you were more offended by PPBs than what the people we posted that in response to were saying then you deserved to be offended
You sent it to everyone who said anything you didn’t like day one of you federating. Lemmy.ml news and politics communities basically just became a toxic waste dump for a month and a half because hexbears thought people weren’t left enough, or thinking that Russia invading Ukraine was bad.
Then it was already a toxic waste dump. You just agreed with the opinions we were pushing back on
By arguing in bad faith and throwing the baby with the bathwater.
Your principled critic
Our bad faith argument
you don’t agree with us. Don’t pretend like it’s anything different.I don’t see how the baby bieng thrown out cliche applies. We see libs parroting bullshit we reply, there’s no baby to be thrown out when it comes to libs and their propaganda or brainworms
Don’t know your specific beliefs but no in all liklihood I don’t agree with you. I don’t think I even remotely preteneded that. We probably agree on some things but I expect our over arching political beliefs are going to be at odds.
Just for my knowledge is a liberal anyone who isn’t a Marxist-leninist? Are Fascists Liberals under your definition?
No, just liberals are liberals. People who ultimately support capital and liberal democracy. You don’t have to be ML. Hexbear is non-sectarian, but we expect internationalist, anti-capitalist, and supportive of intersectional struggle from people on the actual left.
Fascism is basically capital abandoning liberalism to defend itself from socialism. So, fascists arent liberals. But sometimes when they get scratched the fash does comes out. Ask the average lib about the homeless, or Roma for european libs.
If you care more about how we agrue than what we’re argueing about then you don’t agree with us on anything you wouldn’t abandon in a heartbeat
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the symbol was making me think it was a cryptocurrency
I’m surprised no one shared all the emoji publicly
It’s not like they’re secret.They used to be public on the gittea repository. Can’t find the link post federation tho
it’s a bit imperfect, but here’s my mirror of the batch as the maintainer. github truncates the list but it’s all in there if cloned. i’d rather not restructure the folders since it’s easier on my end to have it like that when creating/adding emotes, so
Once you make an account you also transition to a new gender eventually. Like Mars people from Carole and Tuesday / Cowboy Bebop. It cranks.
it’s impressive how many eggs have been hatched by hexbear it is true
into it
Not a fair trade. If my state of being radicalized was a human, it could drink in all non-dry counties in the US. What else have you got?
I don’t understand. Hexbear can’t do either of those things.
