This would be a lot easier to take at face value if I didn’t see so much blatant Putin apologia on lemmy. It’s totally possible to condemn both the US and Russia for being warmongering, bloated empires, but it feels like in a lot of cases criticism of the US is brought up to downplay Putin’s warcrimes. No war but class war.
Where’s the Putin apologia? I mostly just see people celebrating Nazis getting their ass handed to them. Also, what other countries belong to Russia’s “empire”?
I know the Azov battalion exist, that doesn’t mean I should be okay with some random civilian getting his house blown up. And obviously Ukraine, soon.
No one’s asking you to be ok with all the horrors of war. But if we don’t understand what started it, we won’t be able to finish it. Ukraine’s ethnic cleansing of Russians, suppression of the LPR and DPR, and flirtation with NATO must stop if ever this war will end.
Ukraine’s ethnic cleansing of Russians
Never happened. Or do you have some reliable sources of proof that apparently nobody else in the world does?
suppression of the LPR and DPR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_situation_during_the_war_in_Donbas hmm not entirely clear who’s in the wrong here. I’m gonna say that the powers linked to Russia mostly are, based on previous data, but also that in a civil war all sides tend to commit war crimes that should be carefully investigated and prosecuted.
and flirtation with NATO must stop if ever this war will end.
Well, that did stop. And yet Russia keeps attacking military and civilian targets.
The conflict in Ukraine was widely reported on and it’s easy to find information about it even now, even through mainstream news sites. Just because the state department came up with a new narrative recently doesn’t mean that nobody else in the world was aware of Ukraine’s Nazi terrorism before this month lol.
Here’s an article talking about Ukraine’s coup. And here’s an article talking about the persecution that Ukrainians are facing from their puppet government.
It seems like both of those articles are just describing Kreml’s propaganda. Where the evidence of ethnic cleansing?
It’s true that western media likes to blame all problems in Ukraine on Russia, but even these articles don’t deny the targeted violence that Ukraine has enacted on its own citizens. The first one mentions how Ukraine’s puppet government immediately rescinded the status of Russian as an official language and the second one mentions how Nazis have taken so much power over Ukraine’s new government that many Ukrainians welcome Russian military intervention. Of course, these articles don’t dwell on these facts because western media has no incentive to.
Since the coup in 2014, thousands of eastern Ukrainians have died at the hands of their fascist government. One particularly egregious example of this terrorism was when dozens of eastern Ukrainian protesters were round up into a building then burned alive.
russia has 0 overseas imperialist instances lmao
So true. Libs think that by pointing out hypocrisy, we’re trying to make a false equivalency or to excuse wrongdoing via comparisons to something worse.
No, the point is that the USA is weaponizing concern to push their agenda and silence dissent. Americans are the absolute last people who should be getting themselves involved in this conflict (more than they already have).
Also, as a US citizen, I have little to say in what happens in China, Russia, Zanzibar, etc. But, I pax taxes in the us, vote in us elections, work and spend money in the US, so I have much more to say and do about what govt and business does here. It’s stupid for, say, US-based redditors to be getting all amped about who may or may not be in prison in China, when their own govt is jailing more people than any other nation.
US has more prisoners per capita than any other nation.
