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I know very little about the famine and was wondering if this video misrepresents anything or leaves anything out?
Lots of unsupported lies, and a lot of pushing you towards questionable conclusions. I’ll just go over some of it (I’ll be linking sources in Russian from Soviet archives, use Google translate or just ping me if there’s some slang word it can’t handle):
Stalin didn’t “label” the resistance as kulaks. A “kulak” (fist) is a peasant who has accumulated enough wealth that he can live off hired labor and/or loans, the mention of a term going up to XVII century, used among peasantry. Kulak was, therefore a bourgeoisie-lite, and needed to be eliminated (as a class, not physically). Modern anti-soviet propaganda often likes to paint them as just “good workers”, but it’s the ability to be a rentier that separated a “kulak” from majority of peasants.
The kulaks therefore have been natural enemies of the Soviet state, and often endgaded in anti-government activity from food thievery to fucking murders (note that the state was expropriating their land which was in their private property, so it was very personal). Most of the kulaks imprisoned or executed had, therefore, violated the law and got convicted whereas the video makes it seem as if Stalin just said “yeah just murder a bunch of 'em for memes”. In fact Stalin has to push back against the lynching (https://istmat.org/node/44272)
So, Stalin “engineered” a famine in 1931. He was so successful that the famine has spread further to Western Ukraine under Polish control the Soviets even considered helping (https://istmat.org/node/25247). He has put a quotas that some farmers couldn’t meet, opting to steal the grain and sell bread on black market later, or just out of anti-Soviet sentiment. The quotas
The video is kind enough to say that in 1932 there have been harsh punishments implemented for anybody stealing the grain or caught hiding it. That is precisely to deter such instances because famine has already been in full swing. Of course one would never imagine the Soviet Union trying to help its citizens, because it’s a bloody dictatorship.
The letter from G. Petrovsky can be found here: https://istmat.org/node/25536. It’s quite a lengthy letter that mentions various things including rampart bread price speculation. At this point we can see that USSR was already buying extra bread from Persia and tapping into grain reserves (https://istmat.org/node/25689). So the letter is taken fully out of context of quite intense crisis management.
The borders were actually closed and there have been cordons installed to prevent migration. This was done because it’s easier to deliver emergency aid to people who aren’t wandering off somewhere delirious due to extreme starvation.
Can’t be arsed to verify where the photos/videos of starving people are coming from. There’s a possibility they aren’t about USSR famine like it happened in back-then Ukraine’s Sevastopol own expo in 2009
Next we have a confession from a grain thief while their village is dying? Nice.
The study that’s shown in 10th minute is gorgeous. Just pause and read the first sentence of the abstract - it straight out says that it estimates lost births. I think that should be enough to say that it’s designed to inflate the number of deaths — and I’m not sure if they bothered to separate starvation deaths from all others.
The censorship stuff seems like your run of the mill fearmongering that is used today for DPRK by people who often pretend on western media it’s worse than it actually is, and I’m way too tired at this point to argue.
My personal trustworthiness rating: Goebbels would be proud/10.
Those “black book of communism” fucks literally use an propaganda made by goebbels himself that accused the soviets of killing thousands of polish people and just throwing the bodies on the german side of the frontier for some reason, with where “found” by the totally innocent german soldier. while at the same time there was an actual genocide happening on Poland that was being made by the nazis. Libs will use nazi propaganda without flinching if they are doing it to “own the commies”.
I think that’s the result of biases and a primitive black and white morality people are indoctrinated into. Soviets were bad so everything that’s said against them must be true, sources be damned.
Lots of unsupported lies, and a lot of pushing you towards questionable conclusions. I’ll just go over some of it (I’ll be linking sources in Russian from Soviet archives, use Google translate or just ping me if there’s some slang word it can’t handle):
Stalin didn’t “label” the resistance as kulaks. A “kulak” (fist) is a peasant who has accumulated enough wealth that he can live off hired labor and/or loans, the mention of a term going up to XVII century, used among peasantry. Kulak was, therefore a bourgeoisie-lite, and needed to be eliminated (as a class, not physically). Modern anti-soviet propaganda often likes to paint them as just “good workers”, but it’s the ability to be a rentier that separated a “kulak” from majority of peasants.
The kulaks therefore have been natural enemies of the Soviet state, and often endgaded in anti-government activity from food thievery to fucking murders (note that the state was expropriating their land which was in their private property, so it was very personal). Most of the kulaks imprisoned or executed had, therefore, violated the law and got convicted whereas the video makes it seem as if Stalin just said “yeah just murder a bunch of 'em for memes”. In fact Stalin has to push back against the lynching (https://istmat.org/node/44272)
So, Stalin “engineered” a famine in 1931. He was so successful that the famine has spread further to Western Ukraine under Polish control the Soviets even considered helping (https://istmat.org/node/25247). He has put a quotas that some farmers couldn’t meet, opting to steal the grain and sell bread on black market later, or just out of anti-Soviet sentiment. The quotas
The video is kind enough to say that in 1932 there have been harsh punishments implemented for anybody stealing the grain or caught hiding it. That is precisely to deter such instances because famine has already been in full swing. Of course one would never imagine the Soviet Union trying to help its citizens, because it’s a bloody dictatorship.
The letter from G. Petrovsky can be found here: https://istmat.org/node/25536. It’s quite a lengthy letter that mentions various things including rampart bread price speculation. At this point we can see that USSR was already buying extra bread from Persia and tapping into grain reserves (https://istmat.org/node/25689). So the letter is taken fully out of context of quite intense crisis management.
The borders were actually closed and there have been cordons installed to prevent migration. This was done because it’s easier to deliver emergency aid to people who aren’t wandering off somewhere delirious due to extreme starvation.
Can’t be arsed to verify where the photos/videos of starving people are coming from. There’s a possibility they aren’t about USSR famine like it happened in back-then Ukraine’s Sevastopol own expo in 2009
Next we have a confession from a grain thief while their village is dying? Nice.
The study that’s shown in 10th minute is gorgeous. Just pause and read the first sentence of the abstract - it straight out says that it estimates lost births. I think that should be enough to say that it’s designed to inflate the number of deaths — and I’m not sure if they bothered to separate starvation deaths from all others.
The censorship stuff seems like your run of the mill fearmongering that is used today for DPRK by people who often pretend on western media it’s worse than it actually is, and I’m way too tired at this point to argue.
My personal trustworthiness rating: Goebbels would be proud/10.
Those “black book of communism” fucks literally use an propaganda made by goebbels himself that accused the soviets of killing thousands of polish people and just throwing the bodies on the german side of the frontier for some reason, with where “found” by the totally innocent german soldier. while at the same time there was an actual genocide happening on Poland that was being made by the nazis. Libs will use nazi propaganda without flinching if they are doing it to “own the commies”.
I think that’s the result of biases and a primitive black and white morality people are indoctrinated into. Soviets were bad so everything that’s said against them must be true, sources be damned.