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    Winston Churchill who lead UK against Fascists has robbed India of food to cause the Bengali famine just so the UK military could prepare for future war after WW2. Why would the Western European diaspora assist a former colony that they had starved to death of 3 million people in WW2? The USA obviously do not care about the people of color in the two world wars and the US intentional cause mass destruction of habitable land and mutation of babies in Vietnam for their resist agenda. The college professors in Canada who studied related discipline and some YouTube videos are my sources.

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    I know this is nothing new to people here, but the difference between this and Churchill’s response to the famine makes it clear that Big Evil Callous Grain-Stealing Holodome Genocide Man was yet more anglo projection

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        It’s extremely likely, to the point that it would be inconceivable that it wouldn’t be the case, that the Indian Embassy had multiple diplomats assigned to it and that P. Ratnam was Charge d’affaires or another embassy staffer with a lower rank than ambassador.

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          its strange but I didn’t find anything from the press reports either or any other historical official document. This hindi report was written by an obscure ultra left group but hats off to the publication , the way they have written about Stalin which is " Stalin is the name by which the western capitalist class and enemies are still haunted after 100 years " XD

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            As someone who does deep dives into finding historical sources to confirm what is claimed in secondary sources, believe me that it’s actually really hard work to turn up primary sources from the era prior to digitisation of media (as before the period where stuff like newspapers were regularly added into online archives as searchable text — say around the 70s or 80s.)

            No shade on India here but because it was colonised for such a long time, it never had a chance to industrialise and develop its archiving and its historical record comprehensively while under the boot of colonialism in the same way that countries like the US or Britain have been able to, not until recently anyways, so it’s probably a later era that you’re looking at when it comes to newspapers being digitised.

            What you’d likely need to do would be to go digging through a the major newspapers of the time in that year, likely in national archives or in the archives of major newspaper companies, in order to find the quote in question because it was likely published in the print news first and later quoted in this flyer. And I’m talking stuff which is likely scanned but never indexed or converted to searchable text. Which would be a ton of legwork to do and there’s no guarantee that you’d be able to find the exact newspaper article or that the newspaper article itself has been preserved in archives. It might even require searching in hard copy archives.

            I appreciate your skepticism and it’s definitely an open question as to the historicity of this quote but at the same time, when you’re digging this far back into history for a particular source (especially when it’s across languages), it quickly become an especially arduous task to find primary sources. It’s the sort of thing that you’d likely need to get in contact with a historian who specialises in the famine from the perspective of India to ask for their assistance with tbh.

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              its difficult to get anything right about Stalin , he was the most slandered persona in history of Russia , India has very much shifted towards pro west alliance . No media will say positive about USSR or Stalin . I read many books about Stalin in Bengali and translated from Russian language. I strictly don’t endorse this statement , similarly I have skepticism about that Molotov book . I mean in that book Molotov says Khruschev son was a traitor then in wiki and in the Soviet archives it says he died by a plane crash and he was buried with honors . Regarding Stalin everything is a mystery XD.

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    I am from India and there is no link for this… Because this was posted by an ultra left journal. But yeah India had very close relationship with USSR in post 1947 and Nehru , then prime minister of India suspended the parliament in honor of Stalin when he passed away in 1953. You can also read the speech of Nehru given in honor of Stalin.

    https://www.revolutionarydemocracy.org/rdv10n2/nehru.htm

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    I’ve tried to find a better source before and came up empty handed, I’m afraid. I’m still on the search, though!

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      It’s an often-reposted Internet quote. (A Yandex search brings up Lemmygrad.)

      I think maybe this is closer to the true original?

      (I’d accept the quote being posted prior to this article as a debunking of my theory.)

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        I came across a ‘debunk’ but it’s unhelpful. I read the links when I first looked, which was a while ago and they’re not helpful: https://www.reddit.com/r/DebunkThis/comments/nl7dw5/debunk_this_during_indias_bengal_famine_which_the/

        The only source used in support of the claim that Stalin didn’t say/do it is an irrelevant thesis. Pointing to a source that doesn’t mention an incident as proof that an incident didn’t happen is… problematic. It’s equal to a request to prove a negative. I could point to a book about Soviet politics and use it as ‘evidence’ that there wasn’t enough food because there isn’t a chapter on recipes. But who would take that seriously? Oh, yeah, right, liberals.

        Okay, fair enough, you might say, but that linked thesis is about the Bengal famine, so it would surely mention if Stalin did something so magnanimous.

        To which I must reply: we don’t know what mark the supervisors gave the thesis—they could’ve thought it was poorly researched and missed crucial sources; however good a thesis is, author-students don’t get a chance to add sources that the examiner notices are missing; a thesis doesn’t go through an editor or reviewer like a book or peer-reviewed article; and little somethings called the cold war and the anti-Stalin paradigm.

        Which is to say that what you found is better than what I found. Plus the whole story is credible because it fits with his known character. Even if it was someone else within the government, it’s still the kind of thing I would expect of a socialist state.

        (Just look at China and Cuba. Tragedy happens anywhere and there’s no prevaricating. A shipment of aid and doctors just arrive because communists are the GOAT. The west will dither about sending lawyers and bankers to write a contract for weeks before promising aid that might turn up, months later.)

        It’s also likely the kind of thing that Stalin wouldn’t want to make a big thing of if it was him, considering his record of dismissing praise and warning comrades not to do anything to make a cult of personality because it will be used as ammo against the Union.