I bet this was part of the plan…“we can’t technically post this on our official news sources, but let the narrative run wild and grow more deranged every passing day and it will naturally become part of the cultural zeitgeist.” It’s genius, America is helping their citizens program themselves. It’s crazy how quickly it went from an alleged cultural genocide to liberals telling me “tell that to the pile of dead Uighurs.” Why expose yourself to retaliation for lying on news media when you can just plant a seed and let the average batshit insane racist Westerner make up whatever their wicked hearts desire?
Unfortunately this general line of thinking has been co-opted by right wingers (Trump types, to be super clear) and thus liberals, as always, have cornered themselves harder into NEVER DOUBT THE MEDIA NEVER DOUBT THE STATE DEPT STOP DEFENDING TRUMP type no-thinking logical black pits.
And just to explain further if it isn’t clear, I’m referring to how Trump, et al. basically say the media will state something “Trump did X!” then they retract the story or edit it with a small disclaimer noting the original but the retraction is rarely (never) read. It’s a way of basically defaming without having real legal liability since, technically, you can say you made a mistake and you did your due diligence by retracting later with a correction. This shit absolutely happens, it’s one of those things Trump was really good at needling in on because it harms (“harms”) people like himself but normal people, who won’t experience personal effects of this usually, can still see it happening and they know it happens but if you question it a little liberals get flustered and if you say it’s fucked up that the media clearly does this then the liberals denounce you very quickly as anti rainbows and pro hellfire or whatever. And clearly, if it isn’t somehow clear, Trump is a demon. But it doesn’t mean all of his criticisms of liberals are wrong. Many are objectively true and that’s very much so a reason why people love him and say he “tells it like it is” because on a select few issues, he does.
Once again I find myself infinitely frustrated at how much liberals will cling to the institutions which betray them. The selfish fuckers.
I know this will fall on deaf ears, but I’m curious what kind of “logic” you’ll use to claim it isn’t real or is just propaganda or America is worse so China does nothing wrong.
I will have you know I actually clicked this link prepared to read it in good faith, although I admitted I assumed I would have some tangential knowledge that would paint a clearer picture in favor of China.
And then I discovered IMMEDIATELY that was the case!
This is written by Adrian Zenz.
Adrian Zenz is an American fascist with ties to the CIA who claims he was sent by God to destroy homosexuals and communist China. I would hope that fact alone would assassinate his character a bit and make you question if he is telling the truth. He is indeed the very focal point of where the entire Xinjiang myth began.
As you can see, he thanks his four ANONYMOUS contributers and the Victims of Communism memorial organization. It is a very common CIA tactic to make up a few conveniently untraceable “anonymous sources” to say quite literally anything they like with an air of authority and expertise. That, and the “Victims of Communism” is an organization with many capitalist and fascist ties that has collaborated with Neo-Nazi groups in order to spread lies about any socialist country they can run their mouth about.
Should we really trust what a bunch of CIA spooks and fascists have to say about a socialist country?
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By contrast, here is just a taste of the counter narrative:
spoiler
China essentially said, after the Western slander, to the entire world: if you feel there is anything amiss about what we are doing in Xinjiang, please, send diplomats unannounced to Xinjiang and inspect for yourself; we have nothing to hide. (More on this at the end)
So, what ARE they doing in Xinjiang?
In short: fascist deradicalization and economic development, which ultimately just aids the fascist deradicalization goal.
You see, America has spent decades trying to destroy China. One small example of this, is they sent Islamist extremists associated with the Taliban up northeast into Xinjiang to spread their fascist ideology. It worked, and Xinjiang was quickly overcome with fascist terrorism.
The usual gameplan the West has adhered to when dealing with unwanted Islamofascist terrorists is simple: bomb them into oblivion, damned be any civilians in the crossfire.
Instead, China has detained them, and put them in re-education and vocational training facilities. They teach men they don’t have to commit jihad to please Allah, they teach women they aren’t merely child-bearers. Islam itself retains its strength; there are hundreds more mosques in the Xinjiang province than before this American-borne fiasco started. Uighur culture is celebrated, not suppressed; only Taliban-borne “culture” that has been in Xinjiang a mere decade or less is a target of suppression.
They are given vocational training as part of an effort to economically uplift them. The most susceptible to fascism are those who are desperate. China took some responsibility, and admitted that Xinjiang was very undeveloped and isolated from the rest of China. They have sought only to fix this divide and to give future Uighurs a chance to prosper, so that such extremism is of no interest to them.
So…
What about the open invitation to check out the Xinjiang re-education facilities?
Well, absolutely zero Western countries took them up on the offer. None! Nobody, no brave journalists from the West dared to inspect the stories they were peddling.
You know who DID send emissaries? Almost every single Muslim-majority country on the Earth (many of whom have been victimized by the West and the West alone this last century, but I digress). And do you know what they said? They unanimously congratulated China on their compassionate handling of the situation.
Adrian is German actually. But yeah, good point, anyone associated with the victims of communism institute can’t be trusted.
But there is still plenty of evidence to. Like even the stuff China openly admits, that’s they have giant Internet camps where people of a specific religion are detained without trial to be “re-educated” is already pretty horrific. And China doesn’t even deny that part.
And do you really think China would let foreign diplomats just waltz into the country unannounced to do a surprise inspection of one of those facilities, without being guided to see what they want to be seen? Like if America did something similar would you take it face value? No right, so all I ask is you apply the same skepticism you would rightly apply to the US to China as well. And to nations like Iran that are more than corrupt enough to give China their stamp of approval in exchange for some financing. Like they are perfectly fine murdering their own citizens for simple protestest, but you expect them to be bleeding hearts when China treats its Muslims poorly?
We are all lied to every day, I try to see through it as best I can, but clearly not always, but I don’t assume because one “side” is lying to me that the other is telling the truth.
I bet this was part of the plan…“we can’t technically post this on our official news sources, but let the narrative run wild and grow more deranged every passing day and it will naturally become part of the cultural zeitgeist.” It’s genius, America is helping their citizens program themselves. It’s crazy how quickly it went from an alleged cultural genocide to liberals telling me “tell that to the pile of dead Uighurs.” Why expose yourself to retaliation for lying on news media when you can just plant a seed and let the average batshit insane racist Westerner make up whatever their wicked hearts desire?
Indeed.
Unfortunately this general line of thinking has been co-opted by right wingers (Trump types, to be super clear) and thus liberals, as always, have cornered themselves harder into NEVER DOUBT THE MEDIA NEVER DOUBT THE STATE DEPT STOP DEFENDING TRUMP type no-thinking logical black pits.
And just to explain further if it isn’t clear, I’m referring to how Trump, et al. basically say the media will state something “Trump did X!” then they retract the story or edit it with a small disclaimer noting the original but the retraction is rarely (never) read. It’s a way of basically defaming without having real legal liability since, technically, you can say you made a mistake and you did your due diligence by retracting later with a correction. This shit absolutely happens, it’s one of those things Trump was really good at needling in on because it harms (“harms”) people like himself but normal people, who won’t experience personal effects of this usually, can still see it happening and they know it happens but if you question it a little liberals get flustered and if you say it’s fucked up that the media clearly does this then the liberals denounce you very quickly as anti rainbows and pro hellfire or whatever. And clearly, if it isn’t somehow clear, Trump is a demon. But it doesn’t mean all of his criticisms of liberals are wrong. Many are objectively true and that’s very much so a reason why people love him and say he “tells it like it is” because on a select few issues, he does.
Once again I find myself infinitely frustrated at how much liberals will cling to the institutions which betray them. The selfish fuckers.
It’s not a matter of mass killings, but it’s an intentional effort to reduce the ugihur population, which does make it a genocide.
And this isn’t even “WeStErN pRoPaGaNdA” its stated in China’s own policy on “population optimisation”
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02634937.2021.1946483
I know this will fall on deaf ears, but I’m curious what kind of “logic” you’ll use to claim it isn’t real or is just propaganda or America is worse so China does nothing wrong.
I will have you know I actually clicked this link prepared to read it in good faith, although I admitted I assumed I would have some tangential knowledge that would paint a clearer picture in favor of China.
And then I discovered IMMEDIATELY that was the case!
This is written by Adrian Zenz.
Adrian Zenz is an American fascist with ties to the CIA who claims he was sent by God to destroy homosexuals and communist China. I would hope that fact alone would assassinate his character a bit and make you question if he is telling the truth. He is indeed the very focal point of where the entire Xinjiang myth began.
As you can see, he thanks his four ANONYMOUS contributers and the Victims of Communism memorial organization. It is a very common CIA tactic to make up a few conveniently untraceable “anonymous sources” to say quite literally anything they like with an air of authority and expertise. That, and the “Victims of Communism” is an organization with many capitalist and fascist ties that has collaborated with Neo-Nazi groups in order to spread lies about any socialist country they can run their mouth about.
Should we really trust what a bunch of CIA spooks and fascists have to say about a socialist country?
, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
By contrast, here is just a taste of the counter narrative:
spoiler
China essentially said, after the Western slander, to the entire world: if you feel there is anything amiss about what we are doing in Xinjiang, please, send diplomats unannounced to Xinjiang and inspect for yourself; we have nothing to hide. (More on this at the end)
So, what ARE they doing in Xinjiang?
In short: fascist deradicalization and economic development, which ultimately just aids the fascist deradicalization goal.
You see, America has spent decades trying to destroy China. One small example of this, is they sent Islamist extremists associated with the Taliban up northeast into Xinjiang to spread their fascist ideology. It worked, and Xinjiang was quickly overcome with fascist terrorism.
The usual gameplan the West has adhered to when dealing with unwanted Islamofascist terrorists is simple: bomb them into oblivion, damned be any civilians in the crossfire.
Instead, China has detained them, and put them in re-education and vocational training facilities. They teach men they don’t have to commit jihad to please Allah, they teach women they aren’t merely child-bearers. Islam itself retains its strength; there are hundreds more mosques in the Xinjiang province than before this American-borne fiasco started. Uighur culture is celebrated, not suppressed; only Taliban-borne “culture” that has been in Xinjiang a mere decade or less is a target of suppression.
They are given vocational training as part of an effort to economically uplift them. The most susceptible to fascism are those who are desperate. China took some responsibility, and admitted that Xinjiang was very undeveloped and isolated from the rest of China. They have sought only to fix this divide and to give future Uighurs a chance to prosper, so that such extremism is of no interest to them.
So…
What about the open invitation to check out the Xinjiang re-education facilities?
Well, absolutely zero Western countries took them up on the offer. None! Nobody, no brave journalists from the West dared to inspect the stories they were peddling.
You know who DID send emissaries? Almost every single Muslim-majority country on the Earth (many of whom have been victimized by the West and the West alone this last century, but I digress). And do you know what they said? They unanimously congratulated China on their compassionate handling of the situation.
I’m sorry my friend, but you’ve been lied to.
Adrian is German actually. But yeah, good point, anyone associated with the victims of communism institute can’t be trusted.
But there is still plenty of evidence to. Like even the stuff China openly admits, that’s they have giant Internet camps where people of a specific religion are detained without trial to be “re-educated” is already pretty horrific. And China doesn’t even deny that part.
And do you really think China would let foreign diplomats just waltz into the country unannounced to do a surprise inspection of one of those facilities, without being guided to see what they want to be seen? Like if America did something similar would you take it face value? No right, so all I ask is you apply the same skepticism you would rightly apply to the US to China as well. And to nations like Iran that are more than corrupt enough to give China their stamp of approval in exchange for some financing. Like they are perfectly fine murdering their own citizens for simple protestest, but you expect them to be bleeding hearts when China treats its Muslims poorly?
We are all lied to every day, I try to see through it as best I can, but clearly not always, but I don’t assume because one “side” is lying to me that the other is telling the truth.