I know I’m not in trouble, but I do feel bad that I’m probably the reason blahaj.zone will defederate with hexbear. I just thought they had an insane take on what hexbear was and posted it in the_dunk_tank. I included a link because I am not a LIB

but also I am a LIB and so are all of you and I’m sorry for that as well.

  • came_apart_at_Kmart [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    108·
    11 months ago

    lol, i saw that. they were describing this place as an alt right instance and believed our pronouns were all ironic.

    definitely feeds into the trope that liberals are baffled by positions outside the window of their indoctrination and the first impulse of many is to try to cram into one of the two slots that exist in their worldview.

    “post-colonial theory”
    is-this
    “is this right wing propaganda?”

    • macabrett@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      84·
      11 months ago

      They took issue specifically with “Death to NATO” and when people explained that meant the dismantling of NATO, they changed it to “Death to People of NATO” which isn’t even a thing!

    • Pandantic@midwest.socialEnglish
      74·
      11 months ago

      I’ve been arguing with a user on .world about how hexbear is not transphobic and the pronouns aren’t “blatant mockery of trans people”. When I told them they were wrong, they said hexbear is “typical online terrorists”, putting the pronouns then going around posting “racist, bigoted” stuff. I’m waiting for proof of such posts. 😋

      • macabrett@hexbear.netOPEnglish
        67·
        11 months ago

        I keep hearing the “racist bigoted” line and I just don’t get it. Hexbear is the most strict online community I’ve been in when it comes to that sort of thing. Our users are open and welcoming, our mods are lethal.

        • MolotovHalfEmpty [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          46·
          11 months ago

          Some of them a lying. Some of them think “anglos” or lmayo are racism against whitey. I’m surprised we haven’t had our burning flag emojis as evidence of anti-Swiss swiss-cool bigotry or whatever.

          • DamarcusArtEnglish
            5·
            11 months ago

            I think it is just the that upsets them so much.

            Libs have very thin skin after all, easy to scratch.

        • Pandantic@midwest.socialEnglish
          40·
          11 months ago

          Yea, I’m not sure where it’s coming from because I haven’t seen it. I also linked to the Hexbear code of conduct and highlighted the first two rules.

          Tbh, I was not sure about Hexbear when federation started, but I never got the impression that anyone was bigoted or racist. Like there’s literally all the pride hexbear icons, right?

          I feel like these comments are either intentionally malicious or intentionally ignorant assumptions.

            • Apathy Tree@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              15·
              11 months ago

              Sorry to off-topic interject here, but due to the flurry of whatever you posted in your comment, I figured it might be an ok place to ask.

              I’ve been interacting with hexbear a decent amount since y’all federated, and the images don’t work on my app (for example whatever you posted above came through for me as a series of partial image slices stacked on top of each other, and in-line gifs/images make the comment they are in completely unreadable).

              Do any of you use apps/pwas (I know hexbear was here before they really existed, so might be a long shot), and if so, which ones actually display hexbear content properly?

              • macabrett@hexbear.netOPEnglish
                18·
                11 months ago

                Sorry, I don’t use an app. I just use the Firefox app feature of making a website into a dedicated app.

                Do other instances display images properly? I think the way our emotes are supposed to work like inline images do across lemmy, but I might be wrong.

                • Apathy Tree@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                  11·
                  11 months ago

                  They do, in that there’s an image link, but the content is properly shifted around it so it can be read.

                  Hexbear content also gives the image link (tho your comment above seems to have combined them all into one link), but the comment around it gets partially hidden and garbled. I’ve heard your gifs are really big, that may be why?

                  Either way, this app doesn’t have direct messaging and doesn’t handle a lot of stuff well, like multiple image posts, so looking for other options. Since hex seems to be the most problematic presently (no offense intended, ofc 😜) I figured I’d start with something that works for y’all, if I can find it.

              • YearOfTheCommieDesktop [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                10·
                11 months ago

                some people here definitely use mobile apps but I’m not one of them… once the PR goes through to fix federated emoji CSS that our devs put together then the standard web UI should show them correctly on any instance, but until then they’re going to be big.

                If your app is showing them not just big but also mangled like you describe you may want to put in a bug report with the developer though.

                • Apathy Tree@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                  11·
                  11 months ago

                  I have put in a report, but this app handles other things very poorly as well and doesn’t have direct messages at all, so I’m looking for a change anyway :)

                  I assume they were mangled because there were so many in a row (it looked like a lot of them anyway), which caused the app to create a single image link for them rather than trying to render them.

          • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            20·
            11 months ago

            I think it’s the inverse of conservatives who believe they aren’t racist while doing, saying, and believing racist things. They were provided a liberal (in the classical ideological sense) education that told them racism is bad but didn’t delve too deeply into self criticism. So now conservatives and liberals know racism is bad, but not really how to understand or identify it. So you get conservatives who steadfastly believe they aren’t racist because they don’t think they’re bad, and liberals who label things they don’t like as racist because it’s one of the most bad things they can think of.

            • DamarcusArtEnglish
              2·
              11 months ago

              I agree, it seems like a lot of liberals have the attitude of "I can’t be racist, because I’m not

              But they still have the attitude that racism is an individual problem, “A few bad apples” rather than a systemic one. So when they see individuals here doing they conclude that those people must be racist against whites.

        • ImOnADietEnglish
          32·
          11 months ago

          I keep hearing the “racist bigoted” line and I just don’t get it

          it’s literally just because we call white people crackers lol

      • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        42·
        11 months ago

        It’s possible they’re one of those vaush-brained clowns who genuinely believe that “anti-white racism” is a real problem, and they saw one of us making a joke about “crackers” or whatever lol

    • Zrc [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      32·
      11 months ago

      lol, they could at least come up with an actual reason about muh authoritarian tankies instead of straight up lying

  • beef_curds [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
    64·
    11 months ago

    Blahaj was always going to defed us. From the beginning they were more committed to the red scare stuff than even /r/196 was.

    i mentioned this wayyy back in my comment history, but am too lazy to dig it up.

    don’t sweat it if you end up being the excuse for them. This was all predetermined.

  • adultswim_antifa [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    62·
    11 months ago

    I’m pretty frustrated that the admin of the instance thinks we’re brigading. An admin should know that we’re getting their posts in our feed because we’re federated. We are just a big instance and we overwhelm the level of activity they’re used to seeing when it comes into our feed.

    I am wondering if lemmy sorts content in a way that’s causing this situation though. Maybe it considers a post more interesting if it gets more activity than a typical post on their instance. So as soon as it appears on hexbear, the score on the post goes way way up and it gets pinned on hexbear for a long time.

    • macabrett@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      33·
      11 months ago

      I’m betting your theory is right. I think we’re a lot more active than the rest of the fediverse and I didn’t expect that. I thought we had a nice quiet little community over here lol

    • YearOfTheCommieDesktop [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      31·
      11 months ago

      She sees any dunk tank post of content on their instances as inherently brigading, is my interpretation

      But I queried the API, before the dunk tank post went up the comments on that post were already 1/3 hexbear users. Now its about half. So while it probably had an impact it wasn’t like nobody here was going to see the original post, regardless of it containing bad takes that got it featured in the dunk tank

      Though honestly I’m fine with, and actually would suggest

      1. not posting at all in meta discussions on other servers, at least until lemmy implements the ability to have local-only comms, which I think we would also appreciate here, and

      2. not linking to dunk tank content on federated servers. If it comes up in people’s feed it’s fair game, and if people want to tear their arguments to shreds in the dunk tank, fair game, but we don’t need to encourage actual brigading by providing a direct link, as a show of mutual respect for instances we fed with.

      \

      And yes, lemmy’s dogshit Active algorithm is a struggle session factory, it’s truly bad.

      • macabrett@hexbear.netOPEnglish
        16·
        11 months ago
        1. not posting at all in meta discussions on other servers, at least until lemmy implements the ability to have local-only comms, which I think we would also appreciate here, and

        fwiw I think this is our official admin stance after what happened yesterday

  • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    58·
    11 months ago

    All this federation/defederation drama is nothing but bad faith. Our emotes are too big, bRiGadInG, wishing death to the people of NATO, blah blah blah. Let me ask a question. Why do all these instances that had already defed from lemmygrad chose, for a time, to federate with us despite us being far more active with giant emotes and so on?

    It has nothing to do with giant emotes and everything to do with ideology. Lemmygrad’s explicit ideology is ML, meaning there’s little harm in an instance that doesn’t subscribe to ML defedding the instance. “We are X while they are Y, so we are defedding from them due to ideological differences.” But Hexbear’s party line is left unity, meaning there’s a place here for everyone who professes a form of leftism with the caveat that they aren’t patsocs or anarcho-Bidenists. They can’t openly defed from us due to ideological differences because as liberals, they fancy themselves as part of the left, meaning it would be strange if a so-called progressive instance would defed from a left unity instance due to ideological differences. This is open admittance that they are not actually part of the left. We know that libs are not and will never be part of the left, and they cannot cope with that.

    So what happens? They federate with Hexbear for a time, fishing for a nonideological reason to defed from us. This is where the crying about giant emotes comes from. Do you think they would actually care about those giant emotes, a technical issue that would be eventually solved, if we had the same exact ideology as them? Do you think they would actually care about brigadingTM if we were just some quirky instance that mostly talks about fish and other sea animals?

    This is the same exact energy as a supervisor who writes you up because you were 5 seconds late. If you’re cool with your supervisor, you could be half an hour late. If you’re not cool with your supervisor, you would be written up even if you were already in the office before your shift but your ass isn’t in your assigned seat at your exact shift.

    • riley0 [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
      17·
      11 months ago

      They can’t openly defed from us due to ideological differences because as liberals, they fancy themselves as part of the left, meaning it would be strange if a so-called progressive instance would defed from a left unity instance due to ideological differences. This is open admittance that they are not actually part of the left.

      brilliant!

    • macabrett@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      37·
      11 months ago

      I’ll be honest, I didn’t even think about it. I’m just so used to linking to things in the_dunk_tank that I don’t have an account for and can’t even comment on lol

        • macabrett@hexbear.netOPEnglish
          31·
          11 months ago

          I got a comment removed for brigading even though I posted it before the dunk thread and also the post was on my front page! I didn’t brigade I swear! All I said was “Uh oh we’re definitely gonna get defederated then” in response to their “Death to NATO” comments lol

        • mar_k [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          19·
          11 months ago

          They were seething lol. I was trying pretty hard to reason with them and they responded several paragraphs ending with “you should all be fucking ashamed.” I was a little bummed cus I figured there’s decent amount of well-meaning libs there and queer people especially are probably easier to win over to socialism.

  • ImOnADietEnglish
    56·
    11 months ago

    Yeah I’m gonna be real you shouldn’t be too cut up about anticommunists defederating you, in this case people are going to pester Ada enough until she decides she has to investigate, she’ll see the nonstop calls for death to america and fascists blahblahblah, and then she’ll defederate, that’s what she did with lemmygrad

  • WhatWouldKarlDoEnglish
    39·
    11 months ago

    They’ve already defederated us, so they would probably defederate with you anyway. That instance is a cesspool though. I’m guessing that the mod in question was the moron in charge of 196?

    • macabrett@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      32·
      11 months ago

      Nah, I don’t think they were a mod of 196. They were mad for the typical liberal reasons to hate communists.

    • mar_k [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      21·
      11 months ago

      Tbf this is what the admin commented before we started jumping into the thread:

      Then they went on a rant about “putting our differences aside because we’re too large queer communities, but you guys blew it by brigading” but then again there’s a good chance they would’ve found a different reason soon enough anyways.

  • macabrett@hexbear.netOPEnglish
    34·
    11 months ago

    I do take issue with this mod action though, because I commented this comment after finding the thread naturally through the front page of hexbear and linked to it AFTER making the comment

    should have removed the comment for being too funny or something cool, now I’m very embarassed

  • YearOfTheCommieDesktop [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    31·
    11 months ago

    Yeah honestly we just need to not link instances we’re fedded in the dunk tank. Just screenshot, or maybe just use the fedilink (the rainbow star thing), so that it’s at least extra steps for someone to go there, read the post, copy the link, search it back on hexbear, click on the post, and then comment/“brigade”. I don’t think that calling out liberalism of other instances is really a bad thing/even brigading, but we should keep the discussion here not in their comments.

    Shit we could even start pinging people like we used to back on CTH, but we need to find some way to not blow up every lib post on another instance into a massive struggle session. Better if the discourse happens here on our turf not out there.

    • macabrett@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      23·
      11 months ago

      Yeah, I think not directly linking to other instances is probably the correct choice going forward. The irony is that I posted it because I wanted to talk about it here and not there, because it was clear there was no getting through to that person.

      Also, I want to be slightly fair to myself and say they would have called it brigading regardless. That post was full of hexbears well before my post. Our posting powers are too strong, we need to leave the training weights on in other instances.

    • macabrett@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      27·
      11 months ago

      Yeah, I stopped posting emotes in other instances once I realized what it was doing. Or at the very least, I’ll spoiler them with a warning that it’s gonna be a big emote.