A joint U.S.-Mexico topographical survey found that 787 feet of the 995-feet-long buoy line set up by Texas are in Mexico.
Sounds like Mexico can just take down most of this thing.
Edit: As a US citizen, I support Mexico’s immigration services to detain any Texas construction workers that illegally cross the border to service this thing.
I also would support the governor of this region of Mexico to put these construction workers on a bus and drop them deep in the heart of Mexico somewhere.
They should. Send Abbott a bill for polluting their waterway too, while they’re at it.
Probably the only reason Mexico hasn’t already pulled it out is because they don’t want to waste money that they know will never be reimbursed to them.
Maybe the US will take it down and bill Texas themselves.
Removing it has to be cheaper than installing it. Bleed Abbott if he wants to play this game.
Depends how much cheaper I guess. Texas is about 70% richer than Mexico (by GDP)
I’m sure there are some people in that area who would do it for free if they had the tools.
As funny as it would be, taking it out on construction workers who probably didn’t choose to be there seems a little unfair
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Just shoot Texas
They should just be drowned. That’s the purpose for this barrier, so I think it’d be fair to drown anyone working to construct it. (I don’t condone drowning the workers, but the workers should stand up against their employers due to drowning risk. If they don’t listen, maybe they should have an “accident” and “drown” instead and the workers take control.)
Every state’s geography has different challenges. Texas is blessed with natural resources and rich farmland. It is a rich state. Spending that money on murder buoys instead of immigration services is a crime against humanity.
Wait what? Texas put up a border barrier without permission from the Federal government?
Yes and it’s causing deaths (it has nets under it), so the US govt is not best pleased.
The state of Texas has to deal with the problem a lot more than the feds do.
Too bad for Texas that the constitution outlines that only the federal government has the right to deal with other countries. Both the Treaty Clause and Logan Act cover this base. Texas is wrong.
Their current solution illegally crosses the border itself.
Texas has much bigger problems they should be dealing with. Having a reliable grid should be a much bigger priority than the border, but Texas would rather kill people (at the border, or just in their own homes during a snowstorm) than fix their actual problems.
But hey, that’s the republican MO.
Having control of the border is not a partisan issue.
Killing people with buoy saws and nets is absolutely not a partisan issue. What is that we’re discussing here, again?
There’s an easy way to avoid the murder buoy saws called “stop crossing the border illegally”.
If only you could use your eyes. There were never any saws only scallop edged plates designed to keep people from being able to grab between the buoys and slide through. The nets can also be understood to be barriers In place to stop people from diving under the bouys. Without seeing a picture of the nets, I cannot make any claims to their danger because they could be a fine mesh or they could be a rope net. One would be stubstantially more dangerous than the other.
The vast majority of illegal immigrants overstay their visas. You’re looking at the southern border, you should be looking at airports
You seriously think Texas has to deal with more immigration than the entirety of the rest of the U.S.?
Critical thinking really needs to be taught in school.
I think that TEXAS has to deal with illegal immigration across the TEXAS boarder into TEXAS. I said nothing about anywhere else and the amount of immigrants they have to deal with.
The Border Patrol and Customs (in the Department of Homeland Security) is actually responsible for securing borders. States do not get to decide how their borders are enforced.
We all have to deal with illegal immigration, most of which doesn’t even happen on the southern border. We manage to do it without building death traps or tricking people into getting on busses and sending them to states we don’t like.
I know Texas and Abbot think they’re special but they’re wrong.
I mean, states DO get to determine a hell of a lot about their borders.
Immigration mostly isn’t one, though.
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Yes? Hell, border towns put up barriers without state or federal permission.
Thats not the problem.
LOL CBS! There is no such thing as “technically” in Mexico. The barrier is in Mexico and Mexican authorities should just cut it up and remove it.
And make America pay for it! That’d make me laugh every time I think about it for now and forever after Donald Trump tried to get Mexico to pay for his dumb fucking wall.
Small correction: he told people Mexico would pay for it. Because how could he possibly make another country pay for anything? Lol. Only thing stupider was that people believed that shit.
He did try. He begged the Mexican president to pay for it. “You gotta help me out.” The Mexican president did not help him out.
You gotta source for that? All I heard was that the Mexican president addressed it publicly after Trump said this bs on the campaign trail.
They leaked the phone call. https://m.facebook.com/thedailyshow/videos/the-transcript-of-trumps-leaked-phone-call-with-mexicos-president-is-absolutely-/10155665433246800/?wtsid=rdr_0nUJb1eV7oYvkORK6
https://youtube.com/watch?v=uyfxghJU2SI&feature=share9
For some reason my search results refuse to turn up the actual transcript, just other people reading exerpts.
Haha I think I missed that! Thanks for this. You’re right that he did beg the Mexican president, but it sounds like he didn’t care at all if he actually did it. He just wanted him to say he would pay for it lol
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Can we just wall off Texas at this point? Let them have their own shitty country
Let’s give it back to Mexico, the Republicans were screaming that we should let Russia have Ukraine because it used to be part of Russia, and as it turns out Texas used to be part of Mexico. Problem solved.
Throw in Florida as a tip.
Damn, you really hate Mexicans don’t you?
Yikes, unfounded
Calm down, Satan!
Hey, some of us don’t have a choice but to be here.
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I had to move to low-income housing because no job I’m able to get pays enough for a ‘real’ apartment. I can move to my hometown, but It’s the same thing there. I barely make enough to get by. Were it not for my wife also working, we’d both be homeless.
Trust me. I’d love to move somewhere else, where a post-high school education wouldn’t make me more broke than I am, where good jobs grow on trees, and where housing is reasonably priced. But I can’t. So I Vite blue and get shit on for it here. But I do it anyway, because the asshole fascists that run this state sure as hell haven’t made my life any easier.
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I’m in Idaho, so fair enough
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I thought that the treaty from the Spanish-American War made the Rio Grande neutral territory. Any land that appears in the middle of the river doesn’t belong to either country.
Unless there have been other treaties that I didn’t learn about in my history classes, the buoys technically are infringement on neutral territory.
How does that figure when the river changes course? Does texas/mexico suddenly have more/less land and everyone’s chill?
Totally nothing to do with the Rio Grande-case, but I find it interesting seeing how borders are drawn when time goes on. Look at the original 13 states in the US. Lines are squiggly, and made with care after the terrain. Then, some time has passed, and the US started to grow eastwards. Then the borders were made quickly with rulers.
You see the same in Australia. NSW and Victoria is a bit squiggly for a while, but then the colonisers said “hand me the fucking ruler, removed!”
Pretty much, yeah. A lot of property boundaries are defined in refererence to adjacent bodies of water. It makes sense too, otherwise you’ll get weird edge cases where 3m^2 of land on the mexican side belongs to USA because the river drifted since 1850. What are you gonna do with that little plot? Swim over there and put a fence around it?
Yeah, pretty much.
One time there was also an island that appeared in the Rio Grande that some people claimed as another country with a flag and everything. The US military kicked them off of it.
America following a treaty that doesn’t benefit itself…
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Nearly 80% of the controversial floating barrier Texas state officials assembled in the middle of the Rio Grande to deter migrant crossings is technically on the Mexican side of the U.S.-Mexico border, according to a federal government survey released on Tuesday.
The river barrier, assembled near the Texas border town of Eagle Pass, has come under national and international scrutiny, including from the Mexican government, which has strongly voiced its objections to the buoys.
But Steve McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, said preliminary information indicated that the first person found dead had “drowned upstream from the marine barrier and floated into the buoys.”
Abbott and other Texas officials have insisted the buoys are necessary to stop migrants from entering the U.S. illegally, and the state has refuted claims it violated federal law and international treaties when it set up the floating barriers without permission from the Biden administration or Mexico.
The survey could add a new legal dimension to the Biden administration lawsuit, which argues that Texas violated a longstanding law governing navigable U.S. waterways when it set up the buoys without federal permission.
Unlawful crossings along the southern border fell to the lowest level in two years in June, a drop the Biden administration attributed to a set of asylum restrictions and programs that allow migrants to enter the U.S. legally.
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From the article:
Nearly 80% of the controversial floating barrier Texas state officials assembled in the middle of the Rio Grande to deter migrant crossings is technically on the Mexican side of the U.S.-Mexico border, according to a federal government survey released on Tuesday.
The revelation was made public in a federal court filing by the Biden administration in its lawsuit against the barrier, which Texas set up in July as part of an initiative directed by Gov. Greg Abbott to repel migrants and repudiate President Biden’s border policies.
The river barrier, assembled near the Texas border town of Eagle Pass, has come under national and international scrutiny, including from the Mexican government, which has strongly voiced its objections to the buoys. Advocates, Democratic lawmakers and a Texas state medic have also expressed concerns about the structures diverting migrants to deeper parts of the river where they are more likely to drown.
Earlier this month Mexican officials recovered two bodies from the Rio Grande, including one that was found floating along the barrier, but the circumstances of the deaths are still under investigation. Mexican officials condemned the barrier in announcing the discovery of the bodies. But Steve McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, said preliminary information indicated that the first person found dead had “drowned upstream from the marine barrier and floated into the buoys.”
Abbott and other Texas officials have insisted the buoys are necessary to stop migrants from entering the U.S. illegally, and the state has refuted claims it violated federal law and international treaties when it set up the floating barriers without permission from the Biden administration or Mexico. (Article continues)
and the state has refuted claims it violated federal law and international treaties when it set up the floating barriers without permission from the Biden administration or Mexico. (Article continues)
That’s the clincher. States are 100% not allowed to treat internationally or make policies regarding other countries.
Building a fence has nothing to do with that. If Texas had setup a federal border crossing, that would be illegal. If Texas had that fence constructed in such a way that a federal border crossing were blocked off, that would be illegal. A natural land border augmented with a fence isn’t an international incident and you don’t need permission from the federal government to do that.
You sure as hell do when you put 80% of it outside your borders, outside US borders no less
This kind of thing could spark a war in different circumstances - imagine the Mexican army goes to dismantle the buoys in their borders, and one of several possible groups from Texas confronts them and it leads to a skirmish
Mexico would be entirely within their rights - it’s on their property and it’s suspected to be leading to deaths
Sounds like if the Sovereign Nation of Mexico is as upset about them as you are, they should go remove them.
But
A natural land border augmented with a fence isn’t an international incident
The subject of this post is that “nearly 80%” of the border fence is in Mexico’s Sovereign border, so I don’t see the issue with them removing the trespassing part of the fence.
That would literally be an international incident, no?
50% of the river even that photo shows it’s nonsense
Guys no one tell the democrats that increased border security dispraportionately benefits mexico over the U.S.
How so? Is this because it prevent workers from leaving/brain drain?
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I was pro border wall until this
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So Mexico built the wall and Texas taxpayers paid for it. Brilliant!
