It appears to me that you are pathologizing sexuality, not only homosexuality or queerness, all of it.
I’m not the one pathologising sexuality.
Sexuality has become a pathology in (particularly the West) where capitalism is degenerating and it supports the structures of bourgeios ideology. To collect sexual experiences like commodities. YOLO might encompass the selfish, entitled and promiscuity of capitalism in decay.
The same Marxists that are pro LGBT tend to be pro-prostitution and pro “sex work” quickly forgetting everything Marxists ever wrote on prostitution. As if anything of value is produced during sex instead of the rape and commodification of women. Even if we ignored the women at the bottom of the prostitution pile which are little more than raped slaves and we looked at the kulak sex workers on Tik Tok displaying their $50,000 income each month due to Only Fans work… Why would this be allowed in a socialist society? Where nothing of value is produced with these women pouring mustard on their feet or pissing in their mouths to furthers and deepens the already deranged pathology Western neoliberal societies have to sex and intimacy to the delight of the bourgeois and bourgeois men inparticular who love to have on tap access to working womens bodies
And to see the damage it does to individuals you need only see the response Tik toks of women disparaging the prostitutes gloating about their cash inflow and instead talking about the stalking and PTSD they’ve suffered by creating an Only Fans account.
“Unusual” sexual relationships must have existed always
See above. Agreed. However the trend to homosexuality, sexual pathology and pederasty occurs where the economic base of society is being rotted out. The Romans allowed pederasty alongside homosexuality because they viewed women as animals. Why have sex with an animal when you can have sex with a human?
The LGBT movement and the original activists for LGBT were a collection of pederasts and zionists. it’s a plain fact that the modern LGBT movement came from advocates of pederasty and “boy love”. Ulrichs, Wilde, Harry Hay, etc. NAMBLA was widely accepted as a good organization for LGBT rights until the media began talking about it.
I’m not saying that all homosexual people are awful, or are all pedophiles but the trend toward the sexualisation of children happens in tandem with this phenomena and why people are teaching LGBTin schools to younger and younger ages - to reinforce this behaviour which serves bourgeois rule. The fact Communist Parties outside the imperial core are against LGBT should prompt you to think about this.
but the fact that people like sex, and have always looked for it; and human sexuality is often fluid - you may develop intimate relationships with whoever.
One wonders at the “intimacy” being developed off the back of a Tinder or Grindr hook up. Is genuine intimacy being fostered in todays sexual culture? I doubt it.
But the question is, what is “inherently” harmful about homosexual relationships?
Objectively nothing, but the LGBT movement as a political movement is objectively awful and supports imperialism and the complete atomisation of the individual
. I don’t think you realise how much harm monotheistic religious indoctrination has brought upon the entire world. Religion goes hand in hand with patriarchy and “religious ethics” go very well with capitalist propaganda of the myth of meritocracy and the just world hypothesis.
I do. It should raise your eyebrows that communities seek refuge in these religions from the neoliberal LGBT movement - which objectively bolsters religion in countries on the periphery of imperialism
I am also noticing you going the “good old days” route; and seeing religion favourably.
Again I don’t. See above.
F. Engels’ The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State gives a curious glimpse at the possible lack of “traditional” family in the past
Origins of the family precisely traces with advent of civilisation sexuality deviating away from promiscuity, polygamy, polygany and polyandry to monogamy. We can see in response the phenomena of where civilisation degrades and collapses the trend backward to homosexuality and pederasty
Interesting. I’ve had this poster saved for future reference, heh. I think we come from very different perspectives on this issue. I think ostracism from either side should not take place on an individual basis - individual representatives of marginalized groups should not be isolated from a movement, and their struggles should be acknowledged as a part of the collective struggle. “Identity politics” is a tactic that distracts our attention from our main goals of the universal liberation. Commodification of everything is absolutely happening; and we must address this through education - informal, if that’s all we have. We do have to be careful not to push folks away. Also, I do not see any necessity in moralising people’s sexual preferences. Monogamy is not in any form advanced or a sign of a highly developed society.
I think ostracism from either side should not take place on an individual basis
I’m not calling for ostracism and don’t care about peoples opinions on it - LGBT behaviour occurs in the superstructure of society and I’m concerned with the base. The only question that matters is “is LGBT ideology universal”?
The answer to that question, and the conclusion a lot of communist parties have come to, is a resounding “no”.
That without the mass consumer culture Western imperialism is used to and the hyper exploitation of the imperialised countries - who will never have access to this mass consumer culture and therefore reject LGBT ideology all the more fiercely, turning instead to their religion and traditional family ties.
I’m not the one pathologising sexuality.
Sexuality has become a pathology in (particularly the West) where capitalism is degenerating and it supports the structures of bourgeios ideology. To collect sexual experiences like commodities. YOLO might encompass the selfish, entitled and promiscuity of capitalism in decay.
The same Marxists that are pro LGBT tend to be pro-prostitution and pro “sex work” quickly forgetting everything Marxists ever wrote on prostitution. As if anything of value is produced during sex instead of the rape and commodification of women. Even if we ignored the women at the bottom of the prostitution pile which are little more than raped slaves and we looked at the kulak sex workers on Tik Tok displaying their $50,000 income each month due to Only Fans work… Why would this be allowed in a socialist society? Where nothing of value is produced with these women pouring mustard on their feet or pissing in their mouths to furthers and deepens the already deranged pathology Western neoliberal societies have to sex and intimacy to the delight of the bourgeois and bourgeois men inparticular who love to have on tap access to working womens bodies
And to see the damage it does to individuals you need only see the response Tik toks of women disparaging the prostitutes gloating about their cash inflow and instead talking about the stalking and PTSD they’ve suffered by creating an Only Fans account.
See above. Agreed. However the trend to homosexuality, sexual pathology and pederasty occurs where the economic base of society is being rotted out. The Romans allowed pederasty alongside homosexuality because they viewed women as animals. Why have sex with an animal when you can have sex with a human?
The LGBT movement and the original activists for LGBT were a collection of pederasts and zionists. it’s a plain fact that the modern LGBT movement came from advocates of pederasty and “boy love”. Ulrichs, Wilde, Harry Hay, etc. NAMBLA was widely accepted as a good organization for LGBT rights until the media began talking about it.
For instance, here’s a pro-NAMBLA section from RFD, a gay magazine.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFD_(magazine)
Harry Hay and Morris Kight endorsing NAMBLA, it’s almost as if Harry Hay and Morris Kight are extremely important and influential LGBT activists that literally helped start Pride.
And just look at what words this magazine describes NAMBLA as. Intergenerational love is a great euphemism for pedophilia, isn’t it?
I’m not saying that all homosexual people are awful, or are all pedophiles but the trend toward the sexualisation of children happens in tandem with this phenomena and why people are teaching LGBTin schools to younger and younger ages - to reinforce this behaviour which serves bourgeois rule. The fact Communist Parties outside the imperial core are against LGBT should prompt you to think about this.
One wonders at the “intimacy” being developed off the back of a Tinder or Grindr hook up. Is genuine intimacy being fostered in todays sexual culture? I doubt it.
Objectively nothing, but the LGBT movement as a political movement is objectively awful and supports imperialism and the complete atomisation of the individual
I do. It should raise your eyebrows that communities seek refuge in these religions from the neoliberal LGBT movement - which objectively bolsters religion in countries on the periphery of imperialism
Again I don’t. See above.
Origins of the family precisely traces with advent of civilisation sexuality deviating away from promiscuity, polygamy, polygany and polyandry to monogamy. We can see in response the phenomena of where civilisation degrades and collapses the trend backward to homosexuality and pederasty
Interesting. I’ve had this poster saved for future reference, heh. I think we come from very different perspectives on this issue. I think ostracism from either side should not take place on an individual basis - individual representatives of marginalized groups should not be isolated from a movement, and their struggles should be acknowledged as a part of the collective struggle. “Identity politics” is a tactic that distracts our attention from our main goals of the universal liberation. Commodification of everything is absolutely happening; and we must address this through education - informal, if that’s all we have. We do have to be careful not to push folks away. Also, I do not see any necessity in moralising people’s sexual preferences. Monogamy is not in any form advanced or a sign of a highly developed society.
I’m not calling for ostracism and don’t care about peoples opinions on it - LGBT behaviour occurs in the superstructure of society and I’m concerned with the base. The only question that matters is “is LGBT ideology universal”?
The answer to that question, and the conclusion a lot of communist parties have come to, is a resounding “no”.
That without the mass consumer culture Western imperialism is used to and the hyper exploitation of the imperialised countries - who will never have access to this mass consumer culture and therefore reject LGBT ideology all the more fiercely, turning instead to their religion and traditional family ties.