I don’t personally think there’s much value in doing the liberal word game thing about socialism and communism, especially when it’s obvious what is being referred to.
We could play that game that there’s only a capitalist mode of production and not such a thing as capitalism or that “true capitalism” has never been tried, but that would be ridiculous.
It’s worth pointing out explicitly that there’s no option that runs like:
Establish fully automated luxury gay space communism
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Profit
The anarchists talk about abolishing the state and hierarchies, but the theory isn’t very helpful if you don’t have a mechanism.
I understand why you might say that but I don’t think delineating between “socialism” = attempting to achieve communism the ideal and “communism” = the ideal is always a meaningful or necessary distinction.
I don’t think anyone here would have a problem if it said “(Bothering to even attempt reaching) communism doesn’t work” but that kind of thing just leads to leftist memes becoming unnecessarily long. I think all of us here know what the intent is, and that is to critique propaganda by capitalist states that AES or any movement outside capitalism towards something better is futile, when the reality is that they are doing everything they can, including that messaging itself, to supress it.
Okay, I getcha, but I think communism and socialism are both equally explainable and easily so. I doubt that they’re all that hard to explain and that’s what I was getting at. But fine, maybe I sounded pedantic. I don’t think you have to use multiple words explain either though
Socialism works.
Communism hasn’t been tried yet.
How does somebody try communism?
You know what I mean.
I don’t personally think there’s much value in doing the liberal word game thing about socialism and communism, especially when it’s obvious what is being referred to.
We could play that game that there’s only a capitalist mode of production and not such a thing as capitalism or that “true capitalism” has never been tried, but that would be ridiculous.
It’s worth pointing out explicitly that there’s no option that runs like:
The anarchists talk about abolishing the state and hierarchies, but the theory isn’t very helpful if you don’t have a mechanism.
I’m not playing word games.
I’m specifically trying not to do that.
Communism hasn’t happened yet, but we should eventually be able to get there.
I understand why you might say that but I don’t think delineating between “socialism” = attempting to achieve communism the ideal and “communism” = the ideal is always a meaningful or necessary distinction.
I don’t think anyone here would have a problem if it said “(Bothering to even attempt reaching) communism doesn’t work” but that kind of thing just leads to leftist memes becoming unnecessarily long. I think all of us here know what the intent is, and that is to critique propaganda by capitalist states that AES or any movement outside capitalism towards something better is futile, when the reality is that they are doing everything they can, including that messaging itself, to supress it.
Okay, I getcha, but I think communism and socialism are both equally explainable and easily so. I doubt that they’re all that hard to explain and that’s what I was getting at. But fine, maybe I sounded pedantic. I don’t think you have to use multiple words explain either though