For the love of God, don’t the Ukrainians get that they’re being used as pawns to bleed Russia in a war that they have no hope of winning? Ukraine as a nation is on an IV drip of poison.
It’s only now that people here start to open their eyes to the reality of things, but a lot of them are still blinded by the rabid hatered of Russians. By this point, I think it’s to late, the fascist government has the stranglehold on the people, strip-mining the country of money and human beings for the war effort, before inevitably jumping ship. Frankly, I don’t believe there’s any hope for Ukraine as a state and for Ukrainian people. Not in the nearest decades, at least.
I can see where your perspective comes from. However, I don’t think it’s a good idea to bury the entire thing just yet. Yes, the situation is really dire, but history shows us many instances of Western imperialism ruining entire regions, grinding them to dust, with no apparent prospect of any sort of future. Just look at the Arab countries - Yemen, Iraq, Syria, all of them really… Think about what the people of Chile felt after the Allende government had been overthrown in a coup, with fascist Pinochet reigning supreme and killing leftists all around the country and opening the doors for the plunderers wide open. Latin America is full of examples. It’s always been like that - people live day by day, not seeing any end to the dark tunnel their lives go through. I’m one of them, by the way - hiding, not being able to just go out and have a walk in the streets. It’s soul-crushing, incredibly stressful - that sort of isolation.
And yet, there’s always a path to recovery. The Nazis in Ukraine are, what, exhibition 100 of the “freedom fighter contra” type that the US propped up globally? And yet the people are there, struggling. I doubt the Nicaraguan people living under peak Samoza brutality could imagine the Sandinistas, and yet here we are.
You’re right, if course. But being trapped in a fascist country for 2.5 years, I have dim views of the perspectives of this nation, as well as my own. At this point, all that I feel towards this place, as well as people who gleefuly support turning it into what it has become, is deep resentment. I, personally, intend to leave it at the first opportunity and never step on Ukrainian soil again. That is, of course, if I won’t get buried in it.
No shade there, I don’t blame those who want to get out ASAP. BTW if you need any emotional support - you are free to ask for it. There’s going to be a lot of those people in the near future. Keep in mind, though, that not everyone can afford to leave, and also the fact that Ukrainians are going to become “Asiatic hordes” the nanosecond this conflict is over. Given the current sentiment in the West toward the migrants, a lot of folks are going to find out what it’s like to be an “unworthy victim” in the eyes of the westerners after briefly becoming “relatively European, relatively civilized”. Sad, but unfortunate reality.
And last, but not least… If we’re not willing to fight the fascists here, just where do you think we’re going to fight them? Does the US have a future as a nation, given the way it’s going and what it’s becoming? I honestly don’t think so… Do the now de-industrialized EU countries have a future, with all those weapons the US gladly provided to the Nazis to resell on the black market? Not a bright one unless the course is changed.
For the love of God, don’t the Ukrainians get that they’re being used as pawns to bleed Russia in a war that they have no hope of winning? Ukraine as a nation is on an IV drip of poison.
Ukraine as a nation is dead.
It’s only now that people here start to open their eyes to the reality of things, but a lot of them are still blinded by the rabid hatered of Russians. By this point, I think it’s to late, the fascist government has the stranglehold on the people, strip-mining the country of money and human beings for the war effort, before inevitably jumping ship. Frankly, I don’t believe there’s any hope for Ukraine as a state and for Ukrainian people. Not in the nearest decades, at least.
I can see where your perspective comes from. However, I don’t think it’s a good idea to bury the entire thing just yet. Yes, the situation is really dire, but history shows us many instances of Western imperialism ruining entire regions, grinding them to dust, with no apparent prospect of any sort of future. Just look at the Arab countries - Yemen, Iraq, Syria, all of them really… Think about what the people of Chile felt after the Allende government had been overthrown in a coup, with fascist Pinochet reigning supreme and killing leftists all around the country and opening the doors for the plunderers wide open. Latin America is full of examples. It’s always been like that - people live day by day, not seeing any end to the dark tunnel their lives go through. I’m one of them, by the way - hiding, not being able to just go out and have a walk in the streets. It’s soul-crushing, incredibly stressful - that sort of isolation.
And yet, there’s always a path to recovery. The Nazis in Ukraine are, what, exhibition 100 of the “freedom fighter contra” type that the US propped up globally? And yet the people are there, struggling. I doubt the Nicaraguan people living under peak Samoza brutality could imagine the Sandinistas, and yet here we are.
It’s never in our material interests to give up.
You’re right, if course. But being trapped in a fascist country for 2.5 years, I have dim views of the perspectives of this nation, as well as my own. At this point, all that I feel towards this place, as well as people who gleefuly support turning it into what it has become, is deep resentment. I, personally, intend to leave it at the first opportunity and never step on Ukrainian soil again. That is, of course, if I won’t get buried in it.
No shade there, I don’t blame those who want to get out ASAP. BTW if you need any emotional support - you are free to ask for it. There’s going to be a lot of those people in the near future. Keep in mind, though, that not everyone can afford to leave, and also the fact that Ukrainians are going to become “Asiatic hordes” the nanosecond this conflict is over. Given the current sentiment in the West toward the migrants, a lot of folks are going to find out what it’s like to be an “unworthy victim” in the eyes of the westerners after briefly becoming “relatively European, relatively civilized”. Sad, but unfortunate reality.
And last, but not least… If we’re not willing to fight the fascists here, just where do you think we’re going to fight them? Does the US have a future as a nation, given the way it’s going and what it’s becoming? I honestly don’t think so… Do the now de-industrialized EU countries have a future, with all those weapons the US gladly provided to the Nazis to resell on the black market? Not a bright one unless the course is changed.