I think we can all agree the spirit of the Empire has changed or shared hands many times throughout history. We can all agree a fundamental root of Western imperialism is the Roman Empire. We can also point to the United States as the clear holder of the title today, and more recently to the British, French, Spanish, and the like. The Nazi Empire was Germany’s attempt to seize the reins.

However, it is hard for me to pinpoint the missing link between the Romans and the developed Christendom/ renaissance/ colonial/ industrial Western powers. Could one be the Vikings?

I am not an expert on the Vikings, but at a glance, it seems to check out. They are romanticized by white culture despite being a violent society–I understand they also foraged and farmed and made art, but they were famous for raiding, raping, murdering, pillaging, burning, and enslaving. There is reasons the Nazis popularized and the middle class whites of today maintain the idea that blonde-haired blue-eyed pale people are the ultimate human form, and the Nordic countries are seen as paradise, the ideal all leftwing imperialist liberals aspire to, despite to this day being functionally aspiring ethnostates. Vikings are not only celebrated in mainstream media, but all the white supremacist fascists love adorning themselves and their imagery with Viking aesthetics. Many Neo Nazi narrators invoke the Vikings as inspiration to the spirit of the legendary White Man™️ they must uphold. It seems their pagan religion was subsumed into the imperial Christian Church, but how did imperial Christianity subsume its neighbors? By integration, perhaps in this case, by taking warlike aesthetics from paganism and cutting off the harmony with nature.

My history knowledge here is a little vague, but didn’t they essentially invade and take over England? So, would that not make the British–the closest to a post-Roman pre-USian singular pilot of Western hegemony–spiritually a lovechild of the Romans and the Vikings who both colonized them? In this way, Britian was much like the United States; original inhabitants slaughtered or subjugated, with a myriad of wicked societies forming a ghoulish beast together, no?

I am definitely no expert on the various histories at play here, so I wanted to see what comrades here think about this narrative.

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    8 months ago

    Never thought we would get historical materialism from a lemm.ee user, but thanks a lot actually for the clarification! 😀

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      8 months ago

      Haha 😅 honestly I just made an account on a random instance back when everyone came over here over the summer… Is lemmygrad where the cool kids hang out?

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        8 months ago

        Eh, not necessarily, this more of a serious political instance than a casual one (though it gets mememy), but if it means something, Dessalines, one of the main founders of Lemmy, probably intended this political activity in this pro-FOSS fediverse…

        Be warned, though, if you’re not cool with the political stance of anti-western dominance, this may not be the place for you:

        Lemmy’s origin story

        Reddit closed its source code years ago, and the reddit redesign has become a bloated anti-privacy mess.

        Its become absorbed into that silicon valley surveillance-capitalist machine that commidifies users to sell ads and paid flairs, and propagandizes pro-US interests above all. Software technology being one of the last monopoly exports the US has, it would be naive to think that one of the top 5 most popular social media sites, where so many people around the world get their news, would be anything other than a mouthpiece for the interests of those same US coastal tech firms.