There are a lot of “Shit X Says” communities now, which inevitably leads to quite a few cross-posts and makes people less likely to see others’ comments (e.g. someone comments on a “Shit Liberals Say” post, someone else on the “Shit Fascists Say” version of the post, etc.). It might be a good idea to just have one “Shit Reactionaries Say” community, either by creating a new one or by repurposing the most popular one (SLS), and then setting the other communities to only allow mod posts (basically read-only).
Thank you for coming to my TEDxLemmygrad talk. Proposal co-authored with a second mysterious tankie
Addendum: may be a good idea to also have one community for ultra-leftists separate from the one for general reactionaries.
List of all the Shit X Says communities in Lemmygrad:
I can see unifying SLS, SFS, SCS, SMS, SPCMUS (Political Compass Memes 99% of the time tend to just be Left bad, Right good anyway), SPSS, SL.mlS, STERFS, SHS and SNBS into a single “Shit Reactionaries Say” community, but I’m wondering, can Anarchists and Gonzalites/Marxists-Leninists-Maoists really be considered reactionary?
One for reactionaries, one for ultras. Maoists are comrades. Dogmatic perhaps, but comrades. Unity among Marxists.
Good point. One “Shit Ultra-Leftists Say” (or the like) would be good
That’s what I’m saying, it will be weird if MLMs were suddenly considered reactionary out of nowhere. Though, I’m wondering, what about Anarchists? Do we put them in the Ultra category?
This isn’t just a response to you, Alunyanners, but it seems to fit here.
Agree that we shouldn’t be alienating MLMs or other Marxists. If an ‘MLM’, ‘Trotskyist’, or ‘ML’ says something reactionary it could be posted in a ‘c/ShitReactionariesSay’.
I’m tempted to suggest that we make clear to be criticising the ideas rather than the people, as criticising people might push people away who would otherwise be sympathetic and maybe become communists. But this might be a different issue and could result in tone policing.
Still, I’d suggest being careful with ‘shit lemmy.ml says’ because it’s reactionary ideas, anywhere, that’s problematic, not Lemmy or its users per se. Merging the above communities solves this.
As for the difference between reactionaries and people who claim to be communists, like Pat Socs, I can see the argument that they are different. But which is more abstract for the pretenders. Ultras or leftcoms? Or are they the same? And is the problem with ultras, patsocs, anarchists, etc, that they end up supporting capitalism and are therefore in the same camp as reactionaries? If so, one merged community might do. Or is it the additional danger of bastardising Marxism that’s a problem. If so, that might help us with the theme of a second ‘c/shitXXXXsay’.
Ancoms yes, egoists, we are god and they are our property.
MLMs are reactionary, because they oppose every aes country and every practical advancement of socialism. They deserve the title of red anarchists.
https://leohezhao.medium.com/left-communists-and-ultra-leftists-are-reactionaries-2d2fca4c991a
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MLMs, like anarchists (and unlike MLs), don’t yet have a single victory. Since their tenets are
Most MLM’s may say, they oppose western imperialism, but by focusing their vitriol at most existing socialist states, they further the western agenda and strategy of promoting balkanization and disunity between socialist countries. MLM’s (and their progenitors in the unfortunate ultra-leftism of the cultural revolution) essentially want to re-create the sino-soviet split, which was a huge boon to western imperialism. Nowadays the leaders of the CPC, Russia, Syria, and other anti-imperialist countries, while being incredibly different politically, are rightfully not doing what MLM’s propose: to denounce everyone as “revisionist”.
There’s nothing wrong with armed revolutionary activity of course, but MLMs have shown so far that the best way they think to carry this out, is via assassinations of community leaders, bombings, and massacres of peasants… literally the opposite of what people like Fidel and Mao advocated.
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So then, does that make Marxist Paul, a MLM, reactionary?
Yes he is very much a reactionary.
Wow, and to think I used to watch his videos; notably regarding Communism 101…
Though, now I wonder why Hakim still has him featured on his channel…
Yes, this is probably the best way to handle it in my opinion.
Yes, if they do side with imperialists (otherwise they would not be posted here) therefore they are objectively reactionary no matter their rhetorics, this was extensively covered by Lenin and Stalin.
Can we add Shit Faluns say ? Ya know for the Falun Cultist and their bootlickers ?
sounds like a very niche community that would fit into “Shit Reactionaries Say”
add flairs to lemmy problem solved
As part of c/ShitReactionariesSay? Sure.
Honestly would’ve been nice if Lemmy had flairs.
Yes