• @Munrock
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    -11 year ago

    The imperium is one faction in the setting.

    And it’s not the franchise faction? It’s not the focus of most of the literature? Center stage on the posters? If I open the school kits they give to fucking nine-year-olds am I going to find an ork or am I going to find a heroically posed space nazi?

    You play the fucking video game. When are you getting checked?

    Yeah, I’ve also played COD and hate the US army, I’ve bought cinema tickets and hate Hollywood, I’ve eaten fast food and I’ve used products and services from Amazon and Google and hate capitalism. Put me up against the wall; pull the trigger when you hear me defending any of those things.

    40k fandom is in a league of its own though. Look at how much fan art is created with the ‘my armour is contempt’ quote. “Parody” is not the aesthetic they are going for.

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        1 year ago

        You play the thing, but you don’t subscribe to fascist ideology, so it’s super fucking weird for you to then turn around and say everyone else who plays the thing probably subscribes to fascist ideology.

        First off played, second I’m saying people who choose the 40k universe as their escapism. It’s not exactly The Man In The High Castle levels of nuance. The 40k universe doesn’t just depict fascism as inhumane; it depicts it as a system necessary for the survival of humanity. It depicts people who knuckle down and endure the system as heroic.

        Playing the videogame might be comparable to buying Nestle products or signing up to Audible, but supporting the fandom that produces t-shirts like this:

        T-shirt with 'My armor is contempt, my shield is disgust, my sword is hatred: in the Emperor's name let none survive'

        …is not the same as having a Starbucks tote bag.

        When Pokemon first got big people used to joke that kids in the future would be able to name more types of Pokemon than they would real animals. It’s definitely true of the kids I teach. 40k is just as embedded into Western culture and it fucking shows, meanwhile GW has been trying to fester its community in HK from just Westerners and Westernized kids into the local community.

        People in a ML community are defending 40k.

          • @Munrock
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            11 year ago

            Oh jeez good point. I can’t possibly have enough fucks to give about both. I shall immediately cease my bafflement at people in a Marxist Leninist community defending the normalized acceptance of a completely unsubtle space nazi fantasy world.

              • @Munrock
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                11 year ago

                there are more important things in this world

                Yes. There are also more important things than defending Space Nazi Fandom.

                And yet here we are in a 40k Darktide review thread (implicitly soliciting opinions on the game) where the sentiment “Gameplay is good, Space Nazi Fantasy is disgusting” has roused a fervent defence of a Space Nazi Fantasy.

                  • @Munrock
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                    01 year ago

                    even though every theme is directly ripped from LOTR and dune.

                    Dune is a masterpiece of science fiction with core Islamic influences and allegories to historical imperialism in West Asia and the Americas, its message is fundamentally anti-imperialist. 40k kitchen-sinks the imagery and aesthetic into a setting where the fascists are right and anti-imperialists like Paul Atreides and the Fremen would [objectively, due to the context of the warp] be a threat to humanity’s existence. It’s fundamentally different. That should be obvious.

                    You bought the game.

                    It’s on Gamepass. It cost me nothing to install it at the behest of my gamer friends, approach it with an open mind, and read “An open mind is like a fortress with its gate unbarred” in the collection of loading screen quotes. Levelled an Ogryn to 15 with my unbarred fortress gate brain, thought the Big Box O’ Hurt ability was hilarious and apparently that means I’m a hypocrite for criticising 40k’s enthusiasm for fascism.