• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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    7 months ago

    My guess is that Russia is likely to go on a serious offensive soon, and whatever is left of the Ukrainian army is not going to be able to hold that back. At that point the whole stalemate narrative is going to start collapsing because Russia will start taking serious amounts of territory.

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      I don’t think Russia is able to do a significant offensive soon. The war is basically WW1 with tanks and drones now, more likely it will draw on with Ukraine going the way of Paraguay in the War of Triple Alliance.

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        Thing is that Ukraine is now running out of ammunition, that the west can no longer supply in quantity, as well as trained and motivated soldiers. The whole point of running a war of attrition is to break the other army as opposed to take territory. As Mearsheimer explains in this article. The war has been primarily an artillery battle, and Russia has been firing something like 10x as much artillery as Ukraine. So, the losses are disproportionately on the Ukrainian side. Once the professional core of the Ukrainian army is gone, it’s not going to be possible for Ukraine to keep holding the line.

        It’s worth noting that the whole offensive the west pushed Ukraine into this summer was a huge gift for the Russians because it drastically accelerated the whole process.

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          Yes, that’s why I said about Ukraine turning into Paraguay as mobilization measures become more desperate to compensate for deficiencies in armaments. Still, current positional tendencies mean that Russia would have a hard time actually advancing forward, so they just keep on doing attrition warfare.

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            Thing is that mobilized troops aren’t as capable or motivated as a professional army. Right now, Ukraine still retains a professional core that’s been augmented by the people they kidnap off the street. However, there’s going to be an inflection point where there isn’t a sufficient ratio of professional troops to hold things together. I expect that’s the point when we start seeing big offensives from Russia. Given the losses Ukraine suffered during its summer attempts at an offensive, it might not be long before that happens.

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              Ukraine still maintains significant numerical superiority due to much higher level of mobilization. Plus Russian mobilized troops also suffer from the same morale and training problems. They were good enough for defense, but it goes both ways too.

              Russia would probably build up a strategic reserve for offensive, while continuing positional warfare, but Ukrainian army isn’t going to crumble soon. They can conscript much higher percentage of their population due to not needing to care about the economy as they are supplied by the West.

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                Most analysts believe that Russia actually has a numerical superiority at this point. Russian forces are estimated to be at over 400k now, and most of them haven’t been engaged yet. Most of the fighting right now is still done by the former LPR and DPR militias that have been absorbed into Russian army. Russia is taking the time to actually train and equip the new recruits, rotating small batches in with experienced units. It’s a completely different approach from Ukraine just throwing people into combat with a few weeks of training.

                Russia is also largely recruiting volunteers instead of mobilizing. The military offers salaries that are around 10x what people make in poor parts of Russia, so they’ve had no trouble getting people to sign up. Especially now that it’s starting to become clear that Russia is winning.

                And completely disagree with the Ukraine being able to conscript a large portion of the population because they don’t need to worry about their economy. Western support is running out in front of our eyes. Both financial and material support is only at a fraction of what it was last year. If Ukraine is banking on this while mobilizing, that’s just going to create an even bigger disaster for them.

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                  Ukraine has around 800k troops overall, if you count Army, National Guard and various other units. 400k isn’t enough to break a stalemate even despite Russian artillery superiority. Ukraine also tries to train its recruits, even if the allocated time for it is steadily shrinking. Don’t forget that at its core the Ukrainian Army is still a mass mobilization army like the Red Army. The system for conscripting and training people is still there even if it was significantly distorted by NATO-sponsored reforms, and it is working pretty well.

                  Volunteers are enough to replace losses and slowly grow the army, but they are not enough to amass a sufficient attack force for significant offensives, so Russia has to resort to limited attacks.

                  If the Western support dries out, Ukraine will collapse regardless of what its leadership is doing now, everyone understands it, so they are running the war on the assumption that Ukraine would keep getting at least enough to support its current army. And I don’t think Ukrainian leadership are thinking about what happens next, they are now focusing on not-collapsing as long as possible, and that is why Paraguay scenario is becoming increasingly likely.

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                Plus Russian mobilized troops also suffer from the same morale and training problems

                Do they, though? The Ukranians are the ones taking the heavy losses, the ones mobilizing women, teens, and the elderly, the ones sending in soldiers with a few weeks of training if that, and they’re the ones thoroughly exhausted and fighting an unwinnable and- for anyone with sense- unjustifiable war, while their country (and effectively, their lives) are being auctioned off to the west.

                Russia has its issues, but the state of its troops, its economy, morale, and domestic support are all steadily improving, if anything. Ukraine is the slaughtering-house for unlucky Ukranian conscript/press-ganged troops, but it’s a training ground for the Russians.

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                  Mobilization wasn’t popular and Russia has shifted to mostly professional army earlier to the detriment of reservist training. They are now slowly rectifying those issues, but Russian mobilized troops are still not offense-suitable. Ukraine is slowly grinding down, but it is more of the attrition warfare from WW1 than the maneuver warfare from WW2. Still, it is only a matter of time.