Full disclosure: I’m training to be a psychologist (not psychiatrist)
I’ve been browsing here a lot since Genzedong got quarantined, as I had been expecting a full removal soon after. The general community here is so positive and funny, I found myself preferring it to the subreddit.
I decided to break from my lurking ways to comment on an unfortunate trend I’ve noticed: A few, maybe just one or two, users trying to bring legitimacy to anti-psychiatry rhetoric. These users are getting a great deal of attention for their posts, and they seem to me to be legit comrades, regularly posting in other subs as well. I think these users are genuine, and I don’t intend to make this about them, nor am I about to speculate about their personal reasons for perpetuating these messages. I will say only this about them: There is a worrying tendency to fully dismiss the experiences and views of mental health professionals, saying that speaking to us is “like speaking to a wall,” and encouraging other users to simply ignore our responses. I think I only need to describe this sort of behavior for the troublesome qualities of it to become self-evident. No more needs to be said on it.
Now, I want to speak first to the kernel of truth in the anti-psychiatry lie, because this is somewhat personal to me.
Following the death of my 24 year old brother in 2020, I had a very hard time maintaining my professional life for a little over a year. He was not only my closest friend, but also the only person with whom I could share my political thoughts openly, expecting that he might be feeling similar. Simply put, he was the only socialist I knew.
At my field placement at the time, I was often working with people who were hospitalized. The fact that capitalism contributes to mental illness was not a new concept to me, but seeing how many of our patients were homeless, and knowing that, sometimes, they were sent back to the streets after we had gotten them “back to baseline,” was devastating for me. It was the sort of disruption that makes a person question the field they are in.
Cut-to October, 2021, I’m the only student in a classroom, explaining to 6 professors why my performance is slipping lately, and I find myself explaining that I feel impotent as a therapist, eventually yelling something rash to the effect of “If we actually wanted a psychologically-minded approach to helping these people, we’d be giving them houses!” Further, I was boiling in anger so slowly I almost didn’t notice it, because I had no one - zero people - in this liberal-as-hell program to discuss my beliefs with. No one outside of it. Just no one. I was surrounded by people who loved to talk about “systems,” but couldn’t form a coherent thought about the economic system that undergirds all of the ills of these other systems.
It is true that therapy and psychiatry are often bandaids for people living in a sick society. It is true that many of the problems we seek to address are exacerbated or outright caused by living in a capitalist system. It is true that therapy addresses the suffering of individuals, when that suffering is often the result of communal discord.
It’s deeply unhealthy to get stuck there though. I was for a time, and my outpatient clients likely suffered lower quality treatment from me during this time. I know everyone around me suffered a lower quality me.
We are historical materialists. Because of the suffering caused by capitalism, it can be easy to lose sight of the materialist understanding of capitalism as an inevitable and necessary next step beyond feudalism, leading to socialism. Capitalism is not an entity you can diagnose as evil and then determine that everything birthed from within it is therefore also evil. That’s idealism. The fact that psychiatry and therapy inherited flaws from operating within a capitalist system says absolutely nothing about their inherent nature, the intent of them, nor their impact.
Now let’s get more specific. This entire dance of tying capitalism and psychiatry together utterly ignores basic realities - like the fact that some mental illnesses seem to be primarily organic, that is, relating to the person’s biological make-up, their “wiring.” Primary examples of this include ADHD, Bipolar and Schizophrenia. If you suppose a person with schizophrenia or bipolar would suddenly be highly functional, absent medication, in a world where we’ve reached international communism, you are simply making a massive, uneducated guess. We don’t know that, and anyone who has spent considerable time among the severely mentally ill population will tell you that it seems extremely unlikely. Further, we haven’t reached communism, so it seems reasonable to suggest we do what we can for people who are suffering currently.
A lot of anti-psychiatry rhetoric seems to come from the neurodivergent crowd, specifically people with ADHD and/or autism, who have felt mistreated by the field of psychiatry because they aren’t disordered, just different from the type of person who succeeds under capitalism. There is a lot of truth to this, and I wish I had better answers for these individuals. Perhaps under communism, people with ADHD and Autism will feel no need for therapy. Then again, perhaps they’ll still suffer from higher rates of depression than other people, simply because they find it harder to fit in socially. A lot of unhelpful speculation is required to even have that conversation. I’m more interested in helping people with the problems they say they want help with in their lives, at this point in time.
Now to get on to what most people think of when they think of psychiatry and therapy. When I’m helping someone with OCD learn to work past their compulsions effectively enough that they can finally do something enjoyable with their time, no one gives a flying fuck if capitalism has to do with why they can’t stop checking, and re-checking that everything in their home is “just right.” When I’m helping a socially anxious person find human connection, or a depressed person find something rewarding to engage in, again, the discussion of how their mental illness is a result of capitalism feels trivial in the face of their suffering. Yes, every single one of my clients deserves revolution. No, I’m not capable of bringing about that revolution on my own, but I can help my clients make friends and find meaning in the lives they do have under this capitalist system.
The last problem with anti-psychiatry being tied to Marxism is more pragmatic: People who are curious about communism come to this site. Most people’s (with very unfortunate but real exceptions) experience of psychiatry and therapy will not map onto the exploitative machine described by the anti-psychiatry folks any more than their experience of the medical field does. This means that any curious liberal who comes into this space looking for answers is going to be immediately turned off.
Anyway, I’m really thankful for this place and hope this post doesn’t make me a pariah around here in the future. Thanks for reading, comrades.
Edit: A previous version of this post contained language that was unfair to the anti-psychiatry crowd. This was a mistake pointed out to me in the comments, and I see what they mean. I’ll do better with that in the future.
Do you remember when ADHD was never heard of, then suddenly became a behavioral pattern? Suddenly news came along with the “epidemic of ADHD”, with more and more cases each day.
I don’t claim that ADHD is not a particular set of behavioral patterns. But I think what @panic@lemmygrad.ml and others here are pointing to is that perhaps ADHD has something to do with the fact that we spend more time in computers and electronic devices instead of spending time with people? That our low attention span has something to do with the machine learning algorithms behind the content pushed on our social media “feed”?
We should be looking at the historical material reasons behind these behaviors because human behavior is mostly social, and changes constantly over time. The mistakes of the “psychiatry” folks is that they completely individualize all behavior, and ignore the social causes behind these issues. You could say this is a liberal deviation of medicine and science, but liberal wouldn’t be even too far fetched, considering how much the multibillionaire pharmaceutical profits through this ideology.
Psychiatry has some valid discoveries and scientific research. Such is the case of schizophrenia, anxiety disorders and sleep-inducing chemicals. But psychiatry is dominated by bourgeois interest from its core to its form. Anyone who claims otherwise have never read the DSM-V and its history. Homosexuality was considered a genetic disease until the 70’s, and until 2015 being a transgender was considered a mental disorder as well. What was the criteria used to consider these gender expressions as disease, and how come “suddenly” they are not again?
Read about histrionic personality disorder. You can clearly see whoever conceived this as a “disease”, was almost certainly a male chauvinist. It’s basically a continuation of the “female hysteria” lineage. It considers being seductive, dramatic and attention-seeking as behaviors associated with this “disorder.” And the criteria used to determine if one is an exponent of this disease is simply the subjective experiences of the doctor. This is simply a disease which the American Psychiatric Association, which is a bunch of white men discussing about queer people and women as having a disease because they do not fit into their conceived standards of human behavior.
There is no intrinsic human behavior. We are all social consciousness, and you cannot understand human behavior if you ignore social life. This is a massive gap in Psychiatry’s “scientific” methodologies.
What would really help, is to find the standards and mental health practices that AES countries are using (esp Cuba, China, and Vietnam), and use them as our starting point, rather than the DSM.
I have a comrade in a legal profession who’s dealing with a similar issue: western legal frameworks (esp anglo ones based on precedence) are dogshit, but there’s a lack of familiarity with how other countries are handling the same set of problems.
Learning more about how AES countries are furthering these disciplines might be the best way.
cc @saul_pimon@lemmygrad.ml
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3188776/ This is a really informative paper on the huge expansion on mental health treatment in China. Like most things, market reforms led to a relatively short decline in mental health treatment available to the poor, but recent reforms have greatly made it more accessible and comprehensive. This article is dated at 2011, though.
It seems that there is a focus more on community and family based aid for those with mental health issues in China than on more individualized care. Interesting stuff.
edit: https://www.google.com/amp/s/supchina.com/2021/11/11/mental-health-in-china-explained-by-shanghai-based-clinical-psychologist-george-hu/amp/?espv=1 This is a transcript from a podcast, Sinica, based in SupChina. SupChina considers itself “neither pro-China nor anti-China, neither pro-America or anti-America” and claims it doesn’t receive funding from any govt. The guy they interviewed here is ostensibly a psychiatrist based in Shanghai, and although there’s some cringe jokes at the beginning, there’s some wonderfully insightful stuff regarding China’s ongoing struggle in creating better mental health support and, pertinently, attempts at combating Westernization of psychology and over-prescription. @Amicchan@lemmy.ml
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