• FuckyWucky [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    wikipedia could have Holodomor redirect to Soviet Famine but they don’t.

    Holodomor is different from the Holocaust due to no evidence of intentional extermination.

    why call it man-made then? sure you can argue that man-made doesn’t mean ‘deliberate’ but thats not how most people would interpret it. ‘famine’ is the clear neutral term.

    where is mention of ‘man-made’ in Bengal Famine?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943

    Bengal’s economy had been predominantly agrarian, with between half and three-quarters of the rural poor subsisting in a “semi-starved condition”. Stagnant agricultural productivity and a stable land base were unable to cope with a rapidly increasing population, resulting in both long-term decline in per capita availability of rice and growing numbers of the land-poor and landless labourers. A high proportion laboured beneath a chronic and spiralling cycle of debt that ended in debt bondage and the loss of their landholdings due to land grabbing.

    where is the criticism is British policy?

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      why call it man-made then? sure you can argue that man-made doesn’t mean ‘deliberate’ but thats not how most people would interpret it. ‘famine’ is the clear neutral term.

      If you only read the first paragraph and ignore the rest of the article you deserve to not understand anything.

      where is mention of ‘man-made’ in Bengal Famine?

      Feel free to add it. I’ll support the change

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        If you only read the first paragraph and ignore the rest of the article you deserve to not understand anything.

        misleading people is good, got it.

        Feel free to add it. I’ll support the change

        First, the page is protected, also good luck getting that past mayo ass mods.

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          I don’t think it’s misleading. Distinguishing between famines caused solely by external factors, and famines caused in part or in whole by policy, seems entirely reasonable. I was responding to your assertion that someone might misunderstand the meaning of “man-made”.

          The biases of Wikipedia reflect the biases of its editors (there are Wikipedia articles about that). It could be a great tool for radicalization, but I suppose it’s easier to just complain about it.

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            i do not wish to spend the rest of my life in edit-wars with crackers. i’ve already had the pleasure of having to talk to these annoying turds in neoliberal economics related articles.

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            There haven’t really been that many famines throughout history (at the very least in the last few centuries) that have been caused by there not being enough food to eat per se. Most of them are caused by food being distributed away (either directly via railroads or “indirectly” by market forces and speculation) towards places that already have enough food.

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            There is no such thing as a famine “caused solely by external factors”. The wording is misleading because it implies there is such a thing as a famine that isn’t man made and therefore the one that occurred in the Soviet Union being called “man-made” is already a deliberate attempt at drawing a distinction between it another famines. It is a fact that in all famines there is a human factor necessary to compound on environmental factors in order to cause a famine. You don’t get famines that occur due to nature alone. The problem with this article is that by starting out with such language the myth is reinforced that there was something exceptionally malicious about this famine.