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    3 years ago

    As it wad letting religions have a say being the main reason the USSR didn’t become even more forwarded than it was. And even worse: a lot of LatAm leftism has a shit ton of ingrained homophobia precisely because the principal leftist branch is Lib.Theo.

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        Yeah… This is the main reason most of queer are liberals and more surely Camino Dorado may have been born… I can’t fucking believe how even today atheist leftist still can’t cope the fact that Theosocialism is the same grade of contradictions as Nazbolism, MonSoc, PatSoc or Socdems…

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          Prosperity theology is neoliberal and is one of the most reactionary and homophobic branches. There is no doubt that there is a contradiction between marxism and religion, but problems do not arise from religion per se, religion is ONLY the symptom of bigger problems (opium for the masses)

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            The symptoms are perpetuated by the same ideology (Christianity) that has promoted them in the first place with a very specific material and political interest it held once and still holds today, as the elimination of the sacerdotal rivals of the priestwomem (including transgender women, or how the “wholesome and not reactionary at all” Bible stated: “men who dress as women”. ) of Asherah.

            It’s true that everything has a material explanation (including the invention of your God, regardless of your personal indoctrination, lurker), including the control of those material resources. And not all are just symptoms, but also veiled targets for retaining power, and still this propaganda is used today. Religion is not only necessary to maintain Capitalism, but also the main catalist today.

            Do you consider that fascism should be eradicated? Why? And why if the same doctrine is told but just with a magic sky old man then it “miraculously” “has to be respected and protected”? Because most people haven’t read Sacred Texts in a critical manner.

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      Wrong. Lib. Theo is not thaaaaaat influent here. But yes, latAm is very christian and homophobic. But it is not ideologies or theologies that create these prejudices, but the prior material conditions.

      They were always in the minority. Today they are more minority than ever, facing the success of neoliberal prosperity theology.

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        You really think that the homophobia dragged from religions (religions are ideologies, mind you) don’t have a material and power interest? In ancient times many deities had a priesthood dominated by non-cis/non-het in a world where religious and political influences were impossible to separate. And Yahweism rose after the control of all the Hebrew state eliminating all competence while also implementing a rise in nationalistic mythos in a very similar way Francisco Franco made El Cid Campeador a national deity or even invented Don Pelayo Silvio.

        (please, understand the next in the most natural, politically human a.k.a. REAL way) One common deity in Israel was Asherah, which was the consort of El and mother of Yahweh, then when El stopped being the patron deity, Asherah became the consort of Yahweh (in other Canaanite nations they did the same with their own patron gods, like Asherah wife of Ba’al, for example). During NeoBabylonian exile, the Hebrews became monolastric due to nationalist propaganda so they would kind of unite in their own identity in the most copium way, specially to save the sacerdotal class of the time, and forged prophets such as Daniel, Samson, plagiarized myths like the Epic of Gilgamesh, with characters such as Zyusudra for Noah, or the Enuma Elish for Genesis with propagandistic purposes and maybe it was during that time that they invented Moses to finish the Hebrew übermensch mentality and narrative. With this, they needed to also get rid of the rival native priesthood once they became independent againt before the Helenic domain, forging Deuteronomy, where believers of Yahweh, the majority of the land, had to commit genocide against foreign influence and eliminate the other sacerdots in a very classic oligarch vs oligarch parallel we see today.

        Asherah, which has been mentioned, was the second most followed deity there was in that place in that time. And you know which made the Sacerdotal Class of Asherah? Women and Transwomen. Guess what also commanded Deuteronomy? The systemic eradication of queer people.

        Which has endured until today.

        It’s true, material conditions form ideologies, but ideologies can be dragged a looooooooooong way til today to foment the rise and maintenance of an structural power. We still have kings and their monarchist horde. We still have Sacerdotal Chiefs and their theocracist horde. And we obviously have oligarchs, capitalists and bourgeoisie of all kind and their liberal hord. And funny enough, all they share in common is the same idealism, staticism and antirevolutionary elements that religions have… Not to mention that monarchism was conserved THANKS to Christianity and liberalism itself is a Protestant based ideology.