You were in the wrong loop. It was a hoax. Fake news, propaganda, whatever you want to call it.
After the US tried to radicalise Uyghurs in Xingjiang, the Chinese government responded not with bullets or bombs like the US wanted, but with an education programme that has now ended. Everyone is prospering in Xinjiang. Multiple independent visits have taken place and nothing was ever found. The only witnesses all turned out to be CIA. Like this funny example.
Get better loops. You should start trusting the media waaay less, especially about geopolitics.
Sorry about that, we get a lot of people coming in here and acting in bad faith, not actually interesting in learning, but just telling us we are all evil bad guys for disagreeing with them. Xinjiang is usually a focal point of that, as that is the loudest (though far from the most well sourced) anti-China narrative right now. So we can be a bit aggressive when someone asks questions that sound very similar to someone just here to be annoying and obnoxious.
Thanks for not just dismissing everyone outright because some people were being rude!
Then you’re welcome here! It might be a good idea to add a little statement like (I’m not trying to upset anyone, I honestly don’t know and would like more information.) to comments prevent this sort of thing happening in the future.
With the influx of people to Lemmy instances from Reddit, existing members will tend to be a bit defensive when state department lines get regurgitated (even when the same start department has walked back on some of its claims). Even moreso when many of these new users come in to wreck, hurl insults and then leave lol.
Here’s a few more summaries with linked sources if you’re interested. The most recent extremist attacks were in 2014 where dozens of innocents were murdered. While they could be found with a quick search, they barely have any views as it undermines the whole narrative.
Some of the reasons why the US intelligence agencies have so much interest in turning the region into an extremist hotbed are:
Looking on the map, the region is a critical part of the OBOR, which the “sea based powers” in the West want to destroy for their own business interests
Similar to Afghanistan (which is geographically close to both Russia and PRC), it would create an endless supply of extremists to create futher ethnic violence and destabilisation within the whole mainland
That’s crazy, ya all I know is what is broadcasted to me. The US does have a history of causing unrest in other countries for sure. I’m a new user as well but I won’t walk away from a discussion. That’s why I’m here, for a dialog with people, not just endless scrolling.
I can hardly believe that only 3 years ago enough redditors were able to see through the Xinjiang shit that most of the comments were ripping into Rushan Abbas. Did the feds really shape the narrative that fast?
I think what happened was that feds felt too powerful after the reception of their propaganda wave and in a foolhardy step thought that having a literal CIA employee doing public facing AMAs would not fire back.
They should have stuck to pseudo-academic reports by Zenz, UN reports with unverified and unnamed interviewees, armchair analysis of satellite images and so on where there is plausible deniability. But they got ahead of themselves.
Am I out of the loop? I’ve definitely not kept up with the situation but I thought there was human abuse stuff happening with the Uyghurs in China?
You were in the wrong loop. It was a hoax. Fake news, propaganda, whatever you want to call it.
After the US tried to radicalise Uyghurs in Xingjiang, the Chinese government responded not with bullets or bombs like the US wanted, but with an education programme that has now ended. Everyone is prospering in Xinjiang. Multiple independent visits have taken place and nothing was ever found. The only witnesses all turned out to be CIA. Like this funny example.
Get better loops. You should start trusting the media waaay less, especially about geopolitics.
Whoa I definitely was out of the loop. Thanks for actually discussing with me and sharing some insight. You’re the only so far!
Sorry about that, we get a lot of people coming in here and acting in bad faith, not actually interesting in learning, but just telling us we are all evil bad guys for disagreeing with them. Xinjiang is usually a focal point of that, as that is the loudest (though far from the most well sourced) anti-China narrative right now. So we can be a bit aggressive when someone asks questions that sound very similar to someone just here to be annoying and obnoxious.
Thanks for not just dismissing everyone outright because some people were being rude!
No worries, I understand! People can be defensive. I just honestly don’t know that much, and appreciate a dialog.
Then you’re welcome here! It might be a good idea to add a little statement like (I’m not trying to upset anyone, I honestly don’t know and would like more information.) to comments prevent this sort of thing happening in the future.
Sounds like a plan!
With the influx of people to Lemmy instances from Reddit, existing members will tend to be a bit defensive when state department lines get regurgitated (even when the same start department has walked back on some of its claims). Even moreso when many of these new users come in to wreck, hurl insults and then leave lol.
Here’s a few more summaries with linked sources if you’re interested. The most recent extremist attacks were in 2014 where dozens of innocents were murdered. While they could be found with a quick search, they barely have any views as it undermines the whole narrative.
https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1028893
https://archive.md/sYD5q
Some of the reasons why the US intelligence agencies have so much interest in turning the region into an extremist hotbed are:
Looking on the map, the region is a critical part of the OBOR, which the “sea based powers” in the West want to destroy for their own business interests
Similar to Afghanistan (which is geographically close to both Russia and PRC), it would create an endless supply of extremists to create futher ethnic violence and destabilisation within the whole mainland
That’s crazy, ya all I know is what is broadcasted to me. The US does have a history of causing unrest in other countries for sure. I’m a new user as well but I won’t walk away from a discussion. That’s why I’m here, for a dialog with people, not just endless scrolling.
No problem, I find most people get very angry with me if you tell them this genocide never happened. It’s a bit strange.
There’s a lot more info here.
I can hardly believe that only 3 years ago enough redditors were able to see through the Xinjiang shit that most of the comments were ripping into Rushan Abbas. Did the feds really shape the narrative that fast?
I think what happened was that feds felt too powerful after the reception of their propaganda wave and in a foolhardy step thought that having a literal CIA employee doing public facing AMAs would not fire back.
They should have stuck to pseudo-academic reports by Zenz, UN reports with unverified and unnamed interviewees, armchair analysis of satellite images and so on where there is plausible deniability. But they got ahead of themselves.
“human abuse stuff” you sure sound like you know what you’re talking about
Thanks for clearing that up. Super helpful.
I was hoping you would elaborate on wtf that means exactly, and what your source is
Source: news places /s