Incidentally, I’ve been saying that Russia would annex the productive eastern regions, leaving a rump state in western Ukraine that Europe would be forced to prop up with billions, or face a massive refugee crisis from the very start. The mainstream press has finally caught up. https://lemmygrad.ml/post/480378/348104

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    If Ukraines war led to this then what was the point of that war?

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      My cynical take on the whole thing is that the US is conducing a scorched earth strategy in Europe. They realize that economic gravity naturally pulls Europe towards the east now, and that would necessarily translate into a geopolitical realignment away from the US. Better burn the whole thing down so nobody gets it. Why Europeans are going along with that is the real question.

      https://dialecticaldispatches.substack.com/p/the-us-pivot-to-asia-and-europes

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        I everytime I tried to communicate this to others they coped with something along the line of “oh the us would want a prosperous EU that is able to defend itself on its own” - no they only need the physical access to the continent for their military bases, a bunch of divided squabbling nationalist dictatorships which can be played against others, are hostile to each other due to nationalistic landgrabs and jocky for us money & weapons to be the biggest kid on the playground is a far more acceptable solution. A united prosperous EU with an united army is just as much of a threat to washington as russia is.

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          Exactly, once the EU is broken up then the US can approach individual countries from the position of absolute power. And it’s basically going to engage in the exact same type of colonialism that the west has been doing in the rest of the world.

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            Jup and with the end of the soviet union, the need of a united wealthy europe became obsolete. Nationalists are not a threat to the usa, because they are much more easily set on their neighbors and bought off with promises of “great national rejuvenation”.

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          Oh yeah, I think Europe is going to be by far the biggest loser when the dust settles. A follow up to that one incidentally.

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        I don’t know how you keep track of all these wild policies and developments, but I’m glad you do and avail us of thoughtful analyses like these!

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      Sarcasm? I’ll use this to just apeak some thoughts:

      To reduce the population of ukraine, redirect tax money to the rich, keep ukraine from being neutral or god forbid side with russia once the empire collapses, prepare for war with russia. Many reasons. None of them had to do with the normal people living in ukraine.

      The answer would have been to back down, invite a delegation from russia and europe and have them discuss this, staying neutral, booting the putschists from power and holding elections with international observation.